To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

Didn’t take long for a “stupid” comment to come up did it. I voted leave on the basis it was best in the long term looking at the legal and economic systems we were being increasingly interstated into which were generally incongruous with the system in England and Wales a gap that got wider as more and more countries joined, the march towards federalism and the increasingly relaxed interpretation of the fundamental freedoms. The bigger the machine, the less flexibility, a flexibility which a country needs to survive long term. Bigger is not always necessarily better. It was always going to be short term pain for long term gain, anyone could see that who could look past the abysmal campaigns of both sides. I think the result was right but the campaigns were wrong. The results of the election despite the deplorable bias of most London centric media outlets shows that the majority either very much want to leave or weren’t bothered either way so didn’t vote.

Oh and ps I AM in financial services😂

@CocoPuffsInGodMode

Technically the same situation is mirrored throughout the EU, even in more socialist countries such as France and Scandinavia. It"s not inherently down to UK government policy.

Why is it our fault that you can't live peaceably? You are putting blame in the wrong place.

Because the UK government created Northern Ireland in the first place. A legacy not to be proud of and the repercussions remain to this day. Your problem and you need to sort it.

@purits

This is one aspect of Continental Europe that the media here has overlooked - the EU is endless land borders that the UK only was to deal with in Ireland that doesn't facilitate breaking up.

Bigger is not always necessarily better.

And you work in the financial services?

Lifeon the OceanWave -

Right - off to my much less exciting job now - and I really have to get my arse in gear because I've made myself late. Ha Ha - serves me right!

I think Motheroffourdragons comment about anecdotal evidence of a few financial services employees was aimed at me. And I can assure you it’s more than a few comments by financial services employees. These are fairly senior partners and directors. But anyway that doesn’t really matter as it is highly unlikely there will be a referendum anywhere else given the result here.

They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

What and ignore the polled decision of the electorate?

The way out of this is to examine and address the deeeper concerns of the many that led to this state of affairs.

If anyone in government had a brain, a Royal Commission on Social and Economic inequality would be well underway, would hopefully be inventorying major issues and on the brink of making radical recommendations re development of the regions, rural regeneration, housing affordability, overdevelopment of the SE, low wages, labour need and so on.

Then, we could have a lovely big raft of stimulus policies to address it all and redpoll after a decent interval.

As it is the Labour Party are the only ones who are halfway there, but they’ve lost the initiative and dissolving in a puddle of antisemitism denial and identity politics.

Why is it our fault that you can't live peaceably? You are putting blame in the wrong place.

Hahaha Purits.
You joke, yes?

Imagine that instead of not allowing you bendy bananas, the EU had invaded your country, banned your language, exported your food to the continent causing a famine so large that your population still hadn't recovered, and eventually annexed your country and discriminated against those of your nationality who lived within it.

Then, after an international treaty which upheld everyone's rights brought down border infrastructure and created multiple strands of all-island cooperation, they wanted a border again for their own gain. You would laugh, like we are laughing now.
No-one in Ireland will allow it - not even the DUP! Say goodbye to Brexit - or to the United Kingdom.

If anyone in government had a brain, a Royal Commission on Social and Economic inequality would be well underway, would hopefully be inventorying major issues and on the brink of making radical recommendations re development of the regions, rural regeneration, housing affordability, overdevelopment of the SE, low wages, labour need and so on.

Maybe pop that in Theresa's suggestion box Battleax . Although I can't help thinking they didn't need to Brexit to do any of that...

@Somerville

Very eloquently put

Well put Somerville

What do you think I’m purling it here for Coco? We have some very high profile MNers and conservativism is due another reinvention

Hear hear Somerville.

I'm interested in why people voted leave. I'm hundreds of miles from London, certainly not rich, about lower than average. I know plenty of people who voted remain.
The only person I personally know who voted leave was a family member who lives rurally, much better off than I am, but is incredibly Daily Mail led in their thinking.
It did colour my view of what positives there are to the leave vote so I'm interested to know a balanced opinion if anyone cares to share?

I want to leave, and wish it wasnt taking so long.

How do you know we don't want to leave? That's not what over half of the population decided against was it by any chance?
Jeez people think it's doomed before it's even started. It's happening so we just need to get on with it.

I think the concerns some of us are expressing point to the fact that we don’t actually know what “is happening” - hence the variety of opinions in this thread

Motherof - it was always going to be a disaster in my view. Even the Leave campaign were shocked at the vote. They had no plan. It was an utter farce. A gamble by David Cameron that he lost big time.

If the Leave group had had an actual plan going forward rather than soundbites we might be further forward. But they didn’t. And in the case of NI they still don’t. They are flailing around like the wasp that is currently trying to escape my kitchen.

There is an arrogance about the Brexit crew doing the negotiations I think. And a stubbornness from the other side. It was always a disaster waiting to happen. Because there is not and has never been a proper plan.

life it didn't take long for the 'whining babies' to come out either. Its an interesting way to stifle debate , to infantalise.

I think the best bones they could throw us would be allowing us to carry on kicking it down the road, which is basically all that's happened so far, until the UK government can just quietly drop it.

The main problems with that are a) people like Rees-Mogg agitating and b) the slow steady drain of brains/businesses/goodwill in the meantime.

That's not what over half of the population decided against was it by any chance?

Somehow I don’t think over 32.5 million people voted Leave.