To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

I agree that any “brushing aside” by the Government would be totally undemocratic.

IMO the most democratic way forward is to offer the population a first vote on the specific terms of any deal - certainly not a second ‘advisory’ referendum- but a first vote on the terms of the deal once this is made clear and has been verified. Then we can all examine the facts, scrutinise the detail and make our decisions accordingly

Democracy in its purest form must be paramount - not simply a yes/no advisory vote - when even our own government weren’t aware of the totality of the complexities involved.

The way I see it is this. By even having the vote we created problems. If we had voted to remain this would encouraged the EU to carry on as they were if not worse and say they have our backing to do so.
Vote leave as we have done. Do we really think we would get a good deal. If they do this it would encourage other member states to want to leave to.
I did vote remain and would still vote it. But we have voted to leave and now I feel we should group and work together and try to make the best of it.

Motheroffour Dragons - I think it depends where in Europe you live and whether you are a rich-ish expat or living amons=gst the poor and jobless somewhere.

The divide has always been about those who benefit - the rich who can get cheap nannies and builders and buy second homes for pennies "on the Continent" and the poor whose wages are driven down and who can no longer compete on a level playing field for homes and jobs and services.

"The time to 'throw us a bone' was before the referendum, which they signally failed to do"

But why would they?

Just under a majority of the UK voted to remain.Your point being

Oh come on, this always gets trotted out, Remain was a "smaller majority" than Leave, so it should be given even less credibility than you give the Leave vote if we apply your logic.

And don't forget to add the non-voters to the winning vote - they were obviously happy with either solution so will be more than happy to be leaving....

There's always a losing side in an election, it's only in the past decade or so they've turned into whining babies.......

The only other country in the EU with such strong non-European cultural links is Spain, but even then its links with the Americas are mainly among the poorer Latin American countries.

The UK does share a lot of concerns in accordance with Continental Europe in terms of far-right dissatisfaction with the EU, particularly in terms of the migrants and the situation surrounding existing communities, immigration from Eastern Europe, the European debt crisis and consequent Eurozone crisis, etc... but certain things such as plourious borders and the Euro are simply impractical to remove (Continental Europe has land borders akin to Northern Ireland which simply do not facilitate breaking up).

Brexit is a natural result of the social divide in the UK. The people who benefit from the EU and the ones who are shafted by it.
Why do you think most of the 'Brexetiers' live in the countryside?

But why would they?

Because they either want us to stay or don't!

Their attitudes afterwards have done nothing but convince me I made the right choice & I'll be happy when we've finally left their toxic empire....

Louisa Even assuming the UK government could agree on the specific terms (seeming pretty unlikely) what would you expect to happen if that's rejected by the voters?

I think what you mean, OP, is that you wish the unelected EU powerbrokers would behave reasonably so that people would change their minds and stay?

"Because they either want us to stay or don't!"

But they weren't the ones making the decision!

Brexit is gonna screw ordinary people over.

The EU (i.e. the Single Market) screwed ordinary people, it put power in the hands of international businesses. The last two decades has seen a huge, and widening, gulf between the Haves and they HaveNots.
That's why ordinary people voted Leave.

At least I can say I am actually in Europe - so thats slightly better than anecdotal evidence of a few financial services employees met on a business trip.

Yes. There's no mention of Euroscepticism in the press, we glean this information from anecdotes.

I wonder how many of those saying "we'll we have to try to make the best of it" have any idea of what it is like for those living near what will become our land border with the EU? I'm visiting relatives there and the level of anxiety and anger is like nothing I've experienced since the bad old days of the civil war. The old sectarian issues are rising again, and a very palpable confusion and anger towards all those who voted for this without a thought for their situation - we're an ANPR camera away from large-scale civil disobedience.

@MotherofDragons - agree with you wholeheartedly. I’m half Italian and we spend around 5 months of the year in Siena. It’s terribly sad for me to see the UK ( post ref) now being regarded as a much less liberal and less attractive place to live by our family and friends.

The majority of England and Northern Ireland voted to leave.

That's NOT TRUE. The majority in Northern Ireland voted to REMAIN.

Of course it depends where you live Mother - just as it does in the UK.

If you are rich and live in London, (Islington? Richmond?) you are more than likely to have voted to stay. If you are poor and live in Sunderland or Peterborough you more than likely voted to leave.

And no I know nothing about you any more than you do about me. I am making a general point - just as you are.

@Elendon I've already answered that in a post I made earlier.

The time to 'throw us a bone' was before the referendum, which they signally failed to do

That's NOT TRUE either.

purits the gulf between the haves and have nots in the UK is down to UK government policy. I doubt you'll be seeing much change there unless there's a big change in policy. But of course even when the UK is out all problems will still be blamed on Europe .

My brother lives in Holland, student, works in a warehouse with the lowest paid and they rip him a new one constantly about our vote to leave. He gets people tearing into him in supermarkets, out and about when they hear he’s English. Some of it is agressive, asking why he thinks he has the right to be there when we want to kick Europeans out but mostly it’s that we are basically a laughing stock, they can’t believe how stupid we are. Ceratinly he hasn’t encountered any anti Eu sentiments there.

I wonder how many of those saying "we'll we have to try to make the best of it" have any idea of what it is like for those living near what will become our land border with the EU? I'm visiting relatives there and the level of anxiety and anger is like nothing I've experienced since the bad old days of the civil war. The old sectarian issues are rising again, and a very palpable confusion and anger towards all those who voted for this without a thought for their situation - we're an ANPR camera away from large-scale civil disobedience.

Why is it our fault that you can't live peaceably? You are putting blame in the wrong place.

(and PS - I am not in Financial services)