To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

@Elendon 👌

Just sent the link to my DH - still tittering

Because the English voted for Brexit by a majority

I’m not making anything up. You rabbiting about NI like it’s a surprise to anyone that even attempting to initiate a hard border would be anything less than a huge challenge, with many years of pain, distress and difficult memories dredged to the surface is absolute arrogance.

Of course it was going to be a contentious issue, I can’t believe it’s actually a surprise to anyone!

Are you old enough to remember before the Good Friday Agreement? Because I’m finding your lack of understanding about the whole situation really puzzling.

Your disdain for NI and the views of the people who lived through The Troubles is pretty awful tbh.

Euro Army
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-41971867

But the majority want to leave. What you mean is YOU don't want to leave

@BlaaBlaaBlaa I wonder (genuinely) how many have changed their minds in the wake of absolutely no assurances from the government and no clue as to what is going to happen. Since everything said before the referendum hasn’t happened.

I can't WAIT to leave the bossy, controlling, manipulative, gaslighting bastards!

So all the people in the other 27 countries that make up the EU are the above then ?

The majority in two of the four nations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland wanted to leave.

I still want to know who we are going to trade with after Brexit that we don't trade with already. No one ever answers this.

That link is about closer cooperation to prevent another World War and to enhance peace.

Deecrepid

To quote from the link:

No 'European army'

It could all be very different and the EU would have all the control

Deecrepid , I thought that was why people voted leave , because they disliked the EU having control , are you saying they didn't have it before ?.

You rabbiting about NI like it’s a surprise to anyone that even attempting to initiate a hard border would be anything less than a huge challenge, with many years of pain, distress and difficult memories dredged to the surface is absolute arrogance.

Smeddum what the fuck is wrong with you? You seem to be suffering delusions because you’re seeing stuff written in my posts which isn’t actually there.

I’ve made absolutely no comment at all on the rights and wrongs of the situation. I’ve just said there is an irony there. I haven’t at any point suggested that it’s a surprise a hard border would cause problems nor that it would be easy or desirable to have one.

I haven’t actually said anything about NI or the people who live there. I just passed a comment on the irony of the situation.

If I’ve done what you’re accusing me of please link. But you can’t because I haven’t.

Or equally you could say:

The majority of two of the four nations of Great Britain and Northern Ireland wanted to Remain.

deecrepid did you read your own link?

This is about increased investment in defence and developing common military capabilities. There is no "European army", in the same sense that there is actually no "Nato army", it simply means that national military capabilities that exercise together can be brought under a single command at a time of crisis.

Not ones I know. In fact, they are staunchly pro-brexit. They are incredibly well educated and well informed and there hasn't been anything to change their mind yet. I also know a few 'remainers' who are now pro-brexit.

Because the English voted for Brexit by a majority. But the threat of renewed hostilities over the Irish border might well grind Brexit to a halt or make it just happen in name only

You imply the threat of renewed hostilities is getting in the way of what England wants, without considering the other 3 nations that make up the UK/GB & NI.

As an observation, the vote was totally flawed from the outset with both (all?) 'sides' having no real plan but a lot of 'soundbites' to throw at the electorate. Details such as 'EU funding' for many deprived areas of the UK were quietly ignored. Towns that have been significantly helped by EU funding voted to leave, will the UK government cover the much needed revitalisation costs of similar areas?
The possibility of the EU becoming a federal state anytime soon (say 500 years or less) is near impossible, residents don't even follow some of their own laws let alone dictats from Brussels.
YES some of the EU 'plans' need reform but the UK standing on the 'outside' and complaining won't help.
Britain may have had a great empire many years ago but strangely the rest of the world has moved on.
The European Parliament does not dictate 'rules' to all member states. A 'think tank' comes up with ideas they think are a good way forward which is then debated and then EACH MEMBER of the parliament ratifies and is then responsible for upholding the rules. Anything that the EU has 'dictated' to the UK has been approved of by British politicians.

The IRA weren’t very happy about being ruled from a parliament in what they regarded as a different country. Much like Brexiteers. They have a lot in common

You’re comparing people unhappy with the EU ref result to terrorists.

I’m just noting the irony that the spectre of the IRA might well scupper the home rule the English want

And again, it’s all about England.

People who voted to Leave, by a very small margin, didn't realise that it would be so complicated, so expensive and take so long. Even the farmers are changing their minds as the reality of no EU subsidies and a shortage of migrant labour is beginning to sink in. EU citizens are leaving the NHS in droves. University applications from the EU are way down, leaving a massive hole in finances and ability to run courses.

It's a democratic right to be able to change your mind when circumstances change. No one voted to be worse off.

@MightyMucks if it’s not a surprise why wasn’t it dealt with before the referendum? Why are people so surprised that it is not simple for the people of NI at least, and will be traumatic whatever happens?
And why do you keep mentioning the IRA?

Oh well said @Thymeout!

In the long run I think they will throw us a bone so that we end up with minimal changes in reality but it will be able to be presented to the media as us having left. Probably some sort of concession on freedom of movement similar to what was offered to David Cameron but worded in a way that can be presented more palatably to the media. We may lose some rights to financial services though and of course we will lose all our influence as full members so in a couple of decades we'll probably rejoin.

There will almost certainly be complete regulatory alignment with the EU in all goods as this will solve the NI border issue and avoid the expensive bureaucratic nightmare of trying to implement new customs infrastructure. The only reason to not have regulatory alignment would be to set up all these mythical new trade deals which so far are only offering us things like an influx of chemically altered meat. Polls have shown a huge majority of the public do not want a lowering of food standards.

The only other benefit is that wealthy Tory MPs would not have to adhere to the new EU tax evasion legislation and I don't see there being much public appetite for that either.

It will all be about how it's sold in the media, so any bones being thrown are likely to be from the government to Paul Dacre.

No European Army in name perhaps but the nations participating in PESCO will be expected to contribute. When we already pay for NATO it is just more money for defence. We are leaving so will not contribute.

I agree Thymeout

@Thymeout well said