To be absolutely terrified about these Brexit scenario predictions...

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I think its so important people see this study based on the governments own analysis. Also reflects similar studies (one carried out by a free market US think tank I remember).

"After looking at all four options available to the prime minister, the study established that in the long-term, the amount of money available for spending on public services would fall. Under the so-called Norway option, there would be £262m less a week, under the Canada model it would be £877m, while under a no deal it would be £1.25bn.

This would mean 22% less funding available for the NHS if there was a bespoke deal, and 9%, 31% and 44% less under each of the other options."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/each-brexit-scenario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

Crops are already literally rotting in the fields

Well that's the lack of benefits in a few years sorted then....
Swings and roundabouts

So mnetters are up for enforced f/t fruit picking on workfare instead of tax credits.

ok.

Even economic basketcase Greece still has pensions, benefits & a national health service.

I beg you to read that "busting the lexit myths" paper I put up earlier.

You're ignoring the fact I'm a right leaning remainer, it's still full of shite.

If you consider "right wing" as supporting a social democratic welfare state, than yes I'm right wing. Corbyn's decent domestic policies will have no hope of implementation in disastrous context which will follow Brexit.

You stretching now, ignoring the fact that JC has been anti EU his whole political life, his domestic policies are relying on right wing economics to implement, and if you admit to being the neoliberal remainer as you say you are then you will see many of them have massive caveats and some are can kicking at best and unworkable within the EU globalised economy.

So mnetters are up for enforced f/t fruit picking on workfare instead of tax credits.

The soft bigotry of low expectations, displayed without any irony...

Even economic basketcase Greece still has pensions, benefits & a national health service.

So does the UK , thing is Greece is in way worse of situation than the UK is and the IMF were asking for tougher sanctions regarding austerity, and its still ongoing hence the rise of the anti EU parties.

I presume you're saying we should be happy with our lot then?

Crops are already literally rotting in the fields

I asked you to substantiate your claim about serious illnesses, you didn't. Where are the rotting crops?

Many people feel the same about JC, but to single just JRM is making it party political and showing your stance, even if you cannot see it Are you his mum or something? I was making a comment about something I heard today, i.e. that he said we would no longer be a vassal state. We aren't a vassal state so it was a stupid comment. I haven't heard any comments from JC today so couldn't quote him. I'm not his greatest fan but I know some love him just like some love JRM, I don't and like I said it is nothing to do with him being a Conservative I just think he talks a lot of rubbish. You seem a bit over invested in him.

So mnetters are up for enforced f/t fruit picking on workfare instead of tax credits

Or it could be a paying job as it is now?

You seem a bit over invested in him.

Nope, I wasn't the one to bring him up in conversation when he has no relevance, you know considering your not playing party politics..

You trying to paint me into a corner is laughable though, I'm a remainer through and through, thing is I accept the neoliberal shite that comes with it, I am not trying to paint it as a lab/con issue which you clearly are trying to do.

Funny that you haven't commented on posts about JC. My original post tied in with the other posts about how it didn't matter if we had blue passports and so on, so the vassal state comment was relevant.

I couldn't care less about lab/con there are MPs in both parties that I like, my local MP is Conservative and she is brilliant, and people in both parties I don't like. JRM is right up there. Anyway as you know far more about what I think, believe, and mean than I do I will leave you with your mystic abilities.

I think the economy is the least of our worries OP even though I think Brexit will be shit for the economy. NI and Gibraltar are bigger issues.

I've heard alot about NI but not so much about Gibraltar but similar problems I suppose.

Funny that you haven't commented on posts about JC. .

Have you forgot to name change or something, you can freely AS me and see that I am critical of JC and always have been, I will be the combative shit towards the momentum bots, not sure how this is relevant to this particular discussion though..

My original post tied in with the other posts about how it didn't matter if we had blue passports and so on, so the vassal state comment was relevant

There was no posts on this thread that alluded to such a thing other than "gotcha" memes about "but we get our blue passport", not one serious post was made about passports.

Anyway as you know far more about what I think, believe, and mean than I do I will leave you with your mystic abilities.

Nice out you have there, you have obviously worked on that one..

crops - www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-c099-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464

Half of people will get cancer at some point in their lives for starters. It's mostly in old age, so don't want to worry too much, the point is we all need a functioning health service and welfare state.

what I am being contrarian over is that the OP and many remainers need to accept that they are leaning right wing with regards to economics

But is that not the point? Brexit is bipartisan?

I am a left leaning liberal....so proud of the nhs..... but I also can admit that with brexit my politics go out the window.

We are all in this together

Brexit is MADNESS but for what?

No one has been able to say on any brexit thread what will be better. What reason is so so good to leave.

I agree with the op it’s fucking scary.

I hope I never bump into David Cameron... fucking idiot

@terrance

That was a reference to the plan to make everyone take full time work under UC and a reply to someone who said fruit picking will solve lack of benefits.

It's not about left and right. It's about nasty reactionaries and everyone else. I'm a left leaning liberal also but said I would vote for an Osbourne-Cameron remaining tory party over JC Brexit labour party. short term austerity > long term decline and loss of rights.

Considering Englands fairly benign history, I actually think a lot of people have problems even conceptualising how much of a disaster this will be.

*benign history domestically I should add

Yea yea, the sky's falling in and we're all doomed.

Do we need more hysterical threads??

I find the really weird defensiveness here fairly telling.

This was not a general rant on how awful Brexit is - I haven't even touched on half of it - agree with a poster who mentioned NI.

I posted some specific stats that came out yesterday and said I find them terrifying. I would have thought any sensible person would find a minimum of a fifth less funding for public services (potentially half under no deal) pretty scary.

But no, apparently I'm just being hysterical.

You are not being hysterical but its going happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do about.
So for me, its about making sure i am as financially strong as i can be, that i get that Irish passport and my daughter gets her Australian citizenship approved.

People are not getting wound up about it because they dont believe these reports and its hard to get excited about not having something you ve never had.

I spent a portion of my twenties worrying that I’d wake up one morning to a mushroom cloud and an irradiated wasteland as the Cold War suddenly went nuclear. So after I survived that, I think I peak panicked.
I’m a remainder, but we aren’t remaining, so I guess I’ll keep wombling along into my 60s and see what happens.
Despair and horror are pointless unless you do something with that fear. I suggest you try and use that energy to create something positive OP, or it will eat you up whole.

Have you forgot to name change or something, you can freely AS me and see that I am critical of JC and always have been, I will be the combative shit towards the momentum bots, not sure how this is relevant to this particular discussion though Why would I name change? You haven't commented on any of the posts on here that mention JC have you, I couldn't care less what you think of JC.

I hope you have lots of fun with your combative shit to momentum.