To be absolutely terrified about these Brexit scenario predictions...

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I think its so important people see this study based on the governments own analysis. Also reflects similar studies (one carried out by a free market US think tank I remember).

"After looking at all four options available to the prime minister, the study established that in the long-term, the amount of money available for spending on public services would fall. Under the so-called Norway option, there would be £262m less a week, under the Canada model it would be £877m, while under a no deal it would be £1.25bn.

This would mean 22% less funding available for the NHS if there was a bespoke deal, and 9%, 31% and 44% less under each of the other options."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/each-brexit-scenario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

Oh Ghost, you love to play dumb

I'm not sure Ghost is playing.......

Keep the insults coming it’s all you’ve got....

You mean the one in NI you can’t be arsed to control?
Just spouting nonsense doesn't get you any points. Its being sorted as we speak, stop being petulant and shouting "are we there yet?" every two seconds. Everyone agrees on the destination, we are en route and will get there as as planned.

Except not even the Tories agree on the destination. Anna Soubrys destination is different from Rees moggs. The EU has told uk that proposals for ni won’t work so clearly it isn’t being “sorted”

If the eu is ‘just a trading bloc’ why are they sticking their noses in uk political business to the extent they are

Of course the EU is a trading block (for the UK) we are not and never have been on the fast track, hence opt outs and not in euro-zone or Schengen.

Brexit obviously concerns them and they are part of the negotiation so would be odd if they did have views they didnt express...... but sticking their noses in? examples please?

I thought it was the Russians who influenced Brexit not the EU lol!

Gibraltar is similar to NI/ROI border situation isn't it? (without GFA though). I do realise that Gib is not part of the UK as such but is a British overseas territory.

Do not forget that although very loyal to Britain and the Queen and all that 96% of Gib voted Remain. Spain has a veto don't forget re any Brexit deal between Britain and the EU. Woops.

It is another elephant in the room that is not being spoken about yet. But it could erupt any time soon.

A soft Brexit would have been the Norway deal. We should have angled straight for that but staying in SM. Then talked about negotiating further separation over unlimited following years. Most Remainers would have found this acceptable and the whole thing would hardly be news at this point.

Does Spain have a veto on EU side? Eek. That's news to me.

@Walkingdeadfangirl
TM (a remainer) seems to be doing a pretty good job of negotiating a softer Brexit that works for everyone, except the extremists. Unfortunately extreme remainers have no interest in compromise

From what i ve seen, TM has given into 90% or more of the EU 's demands, inc EU citizens coming here during transition and keeping ALL rights and on accepting the EU's backstop position on NI........ thats not negotiation, it capitulation.

I suspect we will also have a CU to sort out NI and the UK's car industry, another red line crossed.

Look, i totally accept we are leaving but i m one of those who thinks we should just leave next March because though that's not what i voted for, it is what the majority of voters want and leave should mean exactly that, no deals no transition, leave and lets see who was right.

What we ve got now is some form of national humiliation.

Except not even the Tories agree on the destination
So your upset because Anna Soubrys is a remainer and Rees moggs is a leaver? Who cares?

The EU has told uk that proposals for ni won’t work
You obviously dont know how a negotiation works. EU says no, we say yes and then we agree a compromise. Its happened at every stage of the process so far. I dont get why you are supporting the EU against the UK.

Gibraltar is similar to NI/ROI border situation isn't it?
No it isn't as there was never a common travel area between Gibraltar and Spain.

From what i ve seen, TM has given into 90% or more of the EU 's demands So why aren't remainers happy with that? Surly they are getting 90% of what the EU wants!

Leavers are happy to compromise as long as we are actually leaving the EU and not just pretending to leave. So we are agreed then?

@Walking.

But Gib is part of UK overseas territory and it will have a border with EU post Brexit won't it? So similar to NI/ROI, one country will be in the EU and the other will not.

That sounds like another "keep it in the CU" solution does it not?

I accept your point about common travel, but we all know that only applies between ROI and the UK and has done even before the GFA.

Gib is part of UK overseas territory and it will have a border with EU post Brexit won't it? Which is how it is now, so no difference. And the population does seem on board with Brexit now.

NI is different in that some people are worried the border will change and half the population wold prefer NI left the UK. Although it does seem its being used as a proxy war to keep us in the EU.

Every country in the EU has a veto over the deal, if they dont all accept it then we leave to WTO rules. I am fine either way, as long as we leave.

WTO is in a mess. There may be nobody to enforce the WTO rules.
Carribean overseas territory islands are in a mess due to Brexit, too.

No, because you lack the courage of your convictions, so the vote was to leave not dick about with 2 years of so called negotiations and a 2 yr transition period.
As i said, lets leave in its entirety, lets see how the UK gets on trading with 85% of the worlds other trade.

If you truly believe the UK is better off out than in, that is what you d want too.

walkingdeadfangirl your pseudo intellectualism is making me laugh. You sound like such a dick. Keep going...

walkingdeadfangirl your pseudo intellectualism is making me laugh. You sound like such a dick. Keep going..

When people can’t form a coherent counter argument they resort to personal insults. It just makes the insulter look pathetic rather than anything else.

I can form a coherent counter argument but why engage with people do not have a full grasp of political systems or macro economics.

If your cognition only runs to sentences such as whining
I dont get why you are supporting the EU against the UK you leave yourself wide open to being perceived as a dick tbh.

When you place GB leaving the EU as a 'left / right' issue you already show you have failed to understand.

I can form a coherent counter argument but why engage with people do not have a full grasp of political systems or macro economics.
Yip its that kind of superiority complex that crashed the banking system.

And that is a big reason why we are leaving the EU, to get away from people who like to tell us that they know better. Turns out they dont, so now its time for the average man and woman to have a say and we are taking back control no matter how much you insult us.

So yeah ignore reality and the reasons why we are leaving the EU and live in your bubble where you refuse to engage.

As the government stumbles through Brexit we are seeing how little control ordinary folk have in the brexit process.

Bitching and moaning and one upmanship. Right ok.

That is the part I hate. My side v your side, I'm better, no I know more than you, no I want Britain to be great again, well I want security for me and my family. Can you guarantee that post Brexit? And on it goes. I fkn hate all this shouting and arguing.

Where is the leadership to calm things down and show us the way? I don't see it, but does anyone else whatever side you are on?

I doubt the UK is prepared for any of this. But hey ho we are all supposed to take it in our stride, take power back, be great again, get all those EU Mandarins quaking in their boots, because Rule Britannia or some other epheremal soundbyte like that will really work for all of us I am sure.

I am concerned about the future of Britain. One year to go and not much has been planned out or agreed has it?

Ephemeral ^

we are seeing how little control ordinary folk have in the brexit process
... a lot more than we have being in the EU. It will be great to be independent and in control of our own destiny again.

More slogans, no substance.

It will be great to be independent and in control of our own destiny again.

This is pure fantasy. We will not achieve the kind of 'control' you're looking for. It's not the 1930s and like it or not we'll always have to respect and work with other country's and institutions rules.

If we want to trade with the WTO, we have to conduct our borders in accordance with their rules. If we want to trade with other countries we'll have to concede what they want (visas!) to get what we want.

And the ordinary person won't get a say in any of this.

The only difference post brexit is that we'll have pissed away our priveleged role in a large trading block. We'll be smaller and less significant than we've ever know - and even more at the mercy of other people' rules. The independence and control you're looking for is a pipe dream.

And the ordinary person won't get a say in any of this.

Yep

We never have done and we never will