To be absolutely terrified about these Brexit scenario predictions...

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I think its so important people see this study based on the governments own analysis. Also reflects similar studies (one carried out by a free market US think tank I remember).

"After looking at all four options available to the prime minister, the study established that in the long-term, the amount of money available for spending on public services would fall. Under the so-called Norway option, there would be £262m less a week, under the Canada model it would be £877m, while under a no deal it would be £1.25bn.

This would mean 22% less funding available for the NHS if there was a bespoke deal, and 9%, 31% and 44% less under each of the other options."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/each-brexit-scenario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

Laurie - almost as stupid as defending the nefarious actions of the eu in deliberately stoking sectarian problems for political advantage

Do you never stop to think of what you defend so stubbornly?

If we go back to war with the IRA then I will lay the blame solely at the feet of those that run the EU

And the rest of the world will be laying the blame solely at the feet of the UK.

The problem is the British haven't come up with a solution to the border. A problem of their own making now and historically.

Ireland is a member of the EU and as such the EU is looking out for a member states interests.

The GFA wasn't solely about getting the IRA to disband and it certainly wasn't a "victory" for the British. The GFA has also about recognition of the catholic/nationalist community as equal partners in NI. Something that Brexiteers either forgot about or could'nt give a toss about. Either way it is at risk with a hard border.

almost as stupid as defending the nefarious actions of the eu in deliberately stoking sectarian problems for political advantage

If you have the slightest shred of evidence for that, please produce it.

almost as stupid as defending the nefarious actions of the eu in deliberately stoking sectarian problems for political advantage

yeah, because May's cosy little 1.5 billion deal with the DUP did wonders for community relations in NI didn't it?

Sad how so many people hate their own (I presume) country...

Tis all doom and gloom I tell ya!

Well it is for the EU anyway :) :)

such profound wisdom from the patriots...

The problem is the British haven't come up with a solution to the border

Have you not read the news at all, the EU have just said no, as in yesterday, to all of our suggestions.

There could a solution found quite easily if the EU weren't being dicks about it. You know this and just prefer to hate on the British.

Laurie - evidence? Pick up any newspaper of any persuasion during the last 3 months

Northern Ireland is as British as hull. We will defend its place in the union as much as we defend our democratic wish to exit the eu

Those things are not mutually exclusive, no matter how much you try to insist they are.

I’m sorry, but your fantasy of some Brexit about turn will not happen.

Mission

Don’t be fooled - types like ghost of and Laurie don’t just hate their own country...

If May didn't have DUP propping up the Tory govt then NI would be in the customs union with RUK out. This is obvious solution that 90%+ of UK could support.

Voters brought this on ourselves by punishing the LibDems for going into coalition with the Tories. :(

The problem is that the British government has not found a solution to the NI border that would keep both the nationalist and unionist communities happy. Ireland and the EU want to preserve the GFA (how unreasonable of them!) The British don't know what they want.

All of this comes back to the idea that power must go hand in hand with responsibility.

The UK had every right to seek to leave the EU. But it also had the responsibility to understand the full implications of that, for themselves and for others (particularly in this case the ROI).

It didn't bother. It went to the vote. The people spoke.

Now, it faces the issue of the NI - a difficult, unique issue. But a problem entirely of it's own making.

And rather than try to put its head down and solve that very difficult problem, or concede that we cannot proceed on the terms we initially hoped, Leavers are casting around trying to blame someone else, for a problem that they created. The refusal to take responsibility is appalling. It's like dealing with a bunch of children.

If you think other countries (potential trading partners no less) aren't paying attention to that, you're an idiot.

There could a solution found quite easily if the EU weren't being dicks about it. You know this and just prefer to hate on the British.

You seriously believe all that?!

It took decades to come up with the GFA, that in turn took another few years to fully come into effect. Finding a way to peacefully change the status quo in NI was never going to be possible within the 2 years after triggering article 50. Never.

Don’t be fooled - types like ghost of and Laurie don’t just hate their own country..

and yet remarkably I didn't vote to make the UK poorer!

Have you not read the news at all, the EU have just said no, as in yesterday, to all of our suggestions.

Because they were all ridiculous. The technology that being so optimistically cited is at least 10 years away.

Finding a way to peacefully change the status quo in NI was never going to be possible within the 2 years after triggering article 50. Never.

It doesn't have to be changed, that's the point. The UK and ireland's boss, the EU, could quite easily work together for a solution, but no, the UK's being threatened.

Threatening us won't work.

types like ghost of and Laurie don’t just hate their own country

This actually really gets me. Because Brexit made me realise exactly how much I once loved and respected the UK.

For full disclosure I was born in NI. I spent time living in the UK and I now live in ROI.

For most of my life I've felt that the UK is a proper authority on the world stage, has much to be proud of and evokes huge respect. I'm appalled at how it's behaved over Brexit and how much the values I once ascribed to it seem to have disappeared in certain sections of society.

Ghost of

And there we reach the real heart of your argument. You wax lyrical about issues like Northern Ireland, but that isn’t your real point is it?

Money.

That’s the bottom line for you.

Let me let you into a little secret - I don’t care if Brexit costs the economy money.

I care about democracy and freedom and the current behaviour of the eu only makes me realise how correct my leave vote was.

nobody is being threatened, you're just throwing your dummy out the pram because Brexit isnt half as easy as the leave campaigners told you. On the plus side at least Farage's kids enjoy dual citzenship.

It doesn't have to be changed, that's the point.

Once more with feeling. Yes it does because brexit means HARD BORDER.

The WTO insists on that border as well as the EU (and that's also what a majority of leavers told us they wanted).

Try to slip out of that responsibility all you like, but the rest of the world is not buying it - and has chalked you up as fundamentally dishonest for pedaling this argument.

And there we reach the real heart of your argument. You wax lyrical about issues like Northern Ireland, but that isn’t your real point is it?

what you are really saying is that you have no idea how the NI border is going to be sorted. Its ok, no other brexiter has a fucking clue either.

Let me let you into a little secret - I don’t care if Brexit costs the economy money.

Lets see how the electorate feels about that when there is less money for the NHS and public services. Watch how fast patriotism flies out the window!

I care about democracy and freedom and the current behaviour of the eu only makes me realise how correct my leave vote was.

and yet your own beloved Tory government in its own white paper, stated soverignty was never lost.

Ghost

I'd quit if I was you......... Your being made to look foolish.

It's telling, the fact that you don't disagree there could be a solution to the border if the EU really wanted one, as it stands, they don't.

So yeah, it true British style - sod them.