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AIBU to be extremely proud of Justine Roberts & Mumsnet right now?

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EmpressOfJurisfiction · 15/04/2018 00:41

Open access link. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=ade388be59ac427155003eff83c5158c

“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said.

“A significant minority of our users feel very strongly about women’s rights and very uneasy [about the proposals]. This is an issue that needs to be discussed and that’s why we’re prepared to take any potential advertising hit.”

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Mogleflop · 15/04/2018 07:32

@Bumblefuddle

For me, the bravery is in her saying anything at all and to such an active group of protesters at that.

She could have just banned the whole topic, deleted it, or said it's a no-go area now on Mumsnet. Instead she's pre-empted their next move and told them to bring it on - and for a "sizable minority" at that.

Maybe she knew nothing she did would be good enough and Mumsnet would just be marked target no matter what. Or she knew that closing one section was a death-knell anyway or something. Ot the active users involved are a core demographic of Mumsnet.

Whatever the reasons, the company must have spent time researching the options on something that's becoming part of their brand (whether they like it or not) and this must have been the best one.

Whatever happens next, for a person to say loudly 'we're being bullied and won't give in' is very brave.

The smear campaign against her will be in action ASAP, possibly harder than we've seen it before; there'll be tweets, phone calls, possibly protests around the workplace, nasty bullying tactics, pressure like other groups have had, and it'll affect her friends and family too. There are some big funders behind this stuff too. They won't want people having an inadvertent leader in the form of Mumsnet setting a precedent for this stuff.

So no matter what happens here on in on Mumsnet, and which boards end up surviving, I'm still impressed.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 15/04/2018 07:39

I suspect the TRA would never have bought or used most of the products advertised on Mumsnet anyway.

seefeld · 15/04/2018 07:44

This is great news, thank you Justine and MNHQ for supporting free speech and standing up to the bullying TRAs.

Moxiebelle · 15/04/2018 07:46

Well done Justine, I'm quite pro trans actually but I still think debate is important in anything that may affect women's rights.

MangoSplit · 15/04/2018 07:47

Thank you MNHQ and well done!

charlestonchaplin · 15/04/2018 07:47

Bumble
It's not about saying something new. It's about Mumsnet standing its ground, and publicly too.

BertrandRussell · 15/04/2018 07:49

But FWR remains muted.

RogerAllamsFangirl · 15/04/2018 07:49

I've changed my position as I saw other posters and decided my approach was too negative - I will actively support brands advertising on MN for so long as free and respectful debate on this matter is permitted.

ChasedByBees · 15/04/2018 07:50

👍 thank you Justine Flowers

seekingsun · 15/04/2018 07:52

Thank you Justine.

Bumblefuddle · 15/04/2018 07:53

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mogleflop · 15/04/2018 07:53

Wouldn't you mute it if you were about to have a shitstorm?

SasBel · 15/04/2018 07:54

Thank you Justine and MNHQ Star

busyboysmum · 15/04/2018 07:54

Feel so proud to be part of this forum upholding freedom of speech and not caving in to bullies.

Thank you @mumsnettowers

Somersetter · 15/04/2018 07:59

Hold on, this is the first I've heard of FWR being hidden from active convos - seriously?! When did this happen?

I spend quite a lot of time onllreadimg the FWR threads but always via the Active threads list. Thinking about it, I haven't seen anything from FWR recently so have effectively had my use of MN censored without my realising. HmmSad

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 15/04/2018 08:01

Thank you. MN is one of the rare places where women can discuss things freely as the majority voice.

BrokenTiles · 15/04/2018 08:01

As a long term lurker who values the well informed, patient and principled posters in FWR and elsewhere on the boards more than I can say - thank you Justine and MNHQ, for not giving in to the bullying tactics that have cowed so many.
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AnarchyKitty · 15/04/2018 08:03

I have signed the petition. There was a link to my local MP to tell him I had signed. Is there a template anywhere I could use as I'm crap at putting things into a letter regarding this?

CallYourDadYoureInACult · 15/04/2018 08:03

Bravo and thank you,

I’ll add my voice to those saying they will actively support MM advertisers and boycott any who cave into bullying tactics to silence debate.

I think (hope!) the tide is turning a little. The TRAs lobbied the Mercure Hotel in Cardiff to cancel A Woman’s Place meeting, and the hotel obviously cut and pasted something from a TRA email about not hosting a group of bigots. Cue respected speakers from the meeting calling out the defamation and threatening legal action. The hotel could not change the tweet quickly enough, calling it ‘unauthorised’ and apologised for any offence caused. I suspect the apology was merely to avoid being sued, and also to stop the torrent of tweets referencing the hotel’s lovely pictures of groups of women enjoying themselves on ‘pamper days’ and hen dos and all the comments about how there were no penises in the pictures.

As someone pointed out, a lot of the ‘success’ than TRAs have had had in shutting down debate been because they have been able to bully middle managers, receptionists, or pretty clueless or well meaning individuals who have not really thought about it. I would hope that brand managers and ad planners at the kind of companies that advertise here would have a clearer view of what is going on.

Lovesagin · 15/04/2018 08:04

Thank you mnhq, although the minority comment feels like a bit of appeasement to the TRA, letting them know that you agree that not many people feel this way, which I very much doubt is true. They'll be lapping that up tbh :(

AuntieStella · 15/04/2018 08:05

"Hold on, this is the first I've heard of FWR being hidden from active convos - seriously?! When did this happen?"

About a week ago now - well before Justine spoke about advertising, so very unlikely the rearrangement if the boards has anything to do with advertising.

There's a thread in Site Issues about it.

Basically, not many people have noticed, and the topic is still there for those who want to use . Win-win really, especially if it does reduce the number of troublesome posters. It makes the space safer (as far as that is possible on an open site) which is what people have been calling for. Going to validated user only (another suggestion I'd seen made) would I think have been a step too far,

Cliques · 15/04/2018 08:05

Thank you, Justine. This isn’t about which side of the fence you’re on, this is about being able to have a debate and the silencing of women.

MargeH · 15/04/2018 08:09

And well done to the Times/SundayTimes for not paying lip service to the TRAs too.

MrsUnderwood · 15/04/2018 08:11

Thanks Justine Flowers

LittleRedTerfette · 15/04/2018 08:12

THANKYOU 👍