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My partner is self employed, works at home, earns very little and rarely gets up in the morning. I'm so frustrated!

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Flexijane · 11/04/2018 23:26

This is my first time talking on this site so thanks for reading, I'd really welcome some opinions and advice here, thank you!
My partner and I have been together 13 years and have 2 kids under 8.
He started working self employed from home when the first child was born and we agreed that we'd review the arrangement if it wasn't making enough money. I've had a series of steady part time jobs for the same company and although I'm not earning even £20k, it's still much more than him.

He's been supportive of me in my career and flexed his work when I need to work late, etc, but we have always done 50/50 of the childcare as we both feel strongly that we want to bring our own kids up and would rather be poor than any other arrangement.
He's a proud man so has also always insisted on paying 50/50 of all the bills too, however he has only recently admitted that we've only survived because the house bills aside, I've been paying for everything else (most of the holidays, kids clothes etc) plus we write down what we pay for things such as petrol and food in a book, then reconcile it after a few months, but he never ever does this. He waits for me to do it, so then owes me like £600 (for several months of these expenses) which he can't pay straight away so I have to just wait until he pays it.

We've been to couple counselling about this and many other issues we're having, it was kind of useful just thrashing it out, but he is stubborn and refuses to change his job (he would find it very difficult to get work as has nothing on his CV for 10 years or more, although is highly skilled in many ways)
I have tried to be patient all these years - he's a great dad and wants to be there for the kids all the time he can, so doesn't want to take on a low paid job that takes him away from them more - but I'm SO tired of our different views on cashflow.

The counsellor wanted to discuss why we both wanted everything to be 50/50 - I understand why she wanted to look at this, and I said to him I would be happy for us to move to a more proportional income set up (but not a pooled account! We do have a joint bills account) But he won't do this, saying he thinks I would resent him even more, and he could be right, because he can work whenever he likes, often gets up at 11am or later, watches TV late into the night - most people (me included) don't have this freedom! He says he works hard - but I don't see that..

I want us to save up for work on the house, better holidays etc but he never has any money and says he's happy staying at home, not eating out, "the best things in life are free" etc.
I want to chill out, but feel the love I had for him has all but gone, and has turned into resentment, I just don't feel any respect for him anymore.
Would making him get a better paid job regain that respect?
Is this all his problem or mine?
Help!

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Godotsarrived · 11/04/2018 23:31

If you both agree it should be 50/50 then he is massively taking the piss.

SmileyBird · 11/04/2018 23:34

Not if you’ve got to make him.

If you get by OK is it really that bad?

All depends really, on what the ‘many other issues’ you have are?

bionicnemonic · 11/04/2018 23:36

Would you respect yourself (or him) if it was coercion? Would you feel more settled if he acted like he was taking things more seriously? Got up early, put more effort in? Would he be prepared to do that. If he put more effort in (even just those few hours every weekday morning) would that potentially bring in more money?

Flexijane · 11/04/2018 23:37

Thanks Godotsarrived yes I do feel like that, as in, he wants to pay half but actually can't in reality.

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Flexijane · 11/04/2018 23:43

Thanks all.
You're right, I wouldn't like to coerce him into it, in fact I know that wouldn't work anyway!
We are getting by fine with my income covering everything really, I think I just feel like I never thought I'd be the main breadwinner for us both, forever, and progress for his career is so glacial.
I don't think him working in the morning would help make more money particularly no, but I have said I want him to make more effort and get up earlier - he has made a bit of an effort and sometimes gets up earlier, but he's a night owl and says his brain works better in the evenings. Problem is I feel so tired, I head to bed around 10pm so we barely have any time together, our natural patterns are so out with each other!

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GaraMedouar · 11/04/2018 23:44

I was in a similar situation with my ExP although he contributed practically nothing - about £30 a week on average. He is self employed in a trade but doesn’t earn enough to support himself and he was happy for me to pay for everything! Also in my case all the housework was also left to me - so I was run ragged.
Gradually all love and respect I had for him was eroded. I asked him to get a paid job but he refused - and left. Without a backward glance. I asked if he would consider couples counselling but no, he wasn’t going to do that.
It’s good your partner is prepared at least to do counselling with you.

Flexijane · 11/04/2018 23:49

Oh GaraMedouar, am sorry to hear that and thanks for sharing.
It's the 'taking responsibility' I feel is important here - sounds like he didn't want to, perhaps hasn't grown up yet, which I fear is partly what I think about my partner (at 41! So perhaps won't ever happen!)

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GaraMedouar · 11/04/2018 23:59

Flexijane - yes you’re right he didn’t take any responsibility. In the end I just felt like his mum as opposed to an equal partner. And he was a decade older than your partner! He was a friendly nice guy , just not wanting to be a grown up, he’d be quite happy to be a beach bum I think.
I could not understand though why he had no pride to look after and provide for his DC. I get no maintenance from him of course. He just shrugs and says he has no money when I ask.

AlpacaLypse · 12/04/2018 00:09

He's cherry picking the best bits of parenthood and family life and leaving you to deal with the shitty nitty gritty of making ends meet.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 12/04/2018 00:27

If he's having a lie in, that means you are dealing with getting the children up dressed breakfast and off to school on your own. Then going to work yourself.
If he's not contributing financially, he could be making your working life easier

LoveManyTrustfew · 12/04/2018 00:35

Fully paid up member of the cock lodger club then. Shock

I just don't get why people tolerate this sort of behaviour.

Snugglepumpkin · 12/04/2018 00:56

What sort of self employed work (from home?) has he been doing for the last several years?
What has he been doing for the past decade that means his CV is empty for so much longer than he has been self-employed?

Shizzlestix · 12/04/2018 00:57

What LoveMany said. Massive piss taker. He sounds like he’s living the student life, up late, night owl, does little, makes out he works hard. When?!

AltheaorDonna · 12/04/2018 01:10

Yet another lazy fucker. I wouldn't put up with that at all. Its hard enough to get by financially in life without carrying extra passengers.

Flexijane · 12/04/2018 08:35

Wow it's overwhelming how many of you say he's taking the piss, quite a relief to know I'm not alone l too.
GaraMedouar - yes it's shocking that he has no pride in wanting to take care of your child together.
My partner had a father that left too and that's why he so wants to be there for his kids. Makes all this very difficult though as he's already made it clear to me he would never leave the house as he says that would look to them like he's 'left' them too. Which means I would have to leave the family home if I wanted us to split up - but he could never support himself living alone. And I don't want to lose my lovely home and neighbours, we all get along great, and we get help from them too.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys - we have an arrangement where we share all the school runs equally but I do 3 mornings and he does 2 (as I'm better in the mornings) Of course the mornings I'm not doing the school run I have to go to work anyway, so get up even earlier so I can get out the way.
Trouble is, he says he IS contributing financially as he does eventually pay half, just when he has it, so I pay most stuff up front. He agrees that's not fair on me - but won't get another job.
He's a musician and manages a few bands, so has several rehearsals a week, all in the evenings (all all other band members have other work in the daytime, except him) so that's why it doesn't look much on his CV, although the bands play a small number of very well paid gigs - he can get £600 for one gig - then no gigs for 3 months. Sure it takes a lot of organising for that one well paid gig and he does it all (and gets laid for his management) but my argument is I don't know any other musician who survives on just that, they all have other work too.
His mum is very supportive of him, including his career and she gives us lots of support with kids. I feel worried that if I told her how I felt about all this she woukd 'take his side' as she's fiercely protective of him, as are all his family. But his family is almost all I have, mine live miles away and are elderly.

So what to do? Feels I've made it clear what I would be happy with. He says he desperately wants the family to stay together and so do I, but I'm stuck and can't be happy with this situation.

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bionicnemonic · 12/04/2018 09:09

Sounds like a bit more networking and getting one or two more bands on board might help...can he not get excited about that and hungry to help new talent?

QuackPorridgeBacon · 12/04/2018 09:13

You say he does 50% of childcare so I don’t see how he is being lazy. People seem to be angry but why? He does pay half of things you are a couple and usually one earns more if this isn’t suitable for you then split up. But you say he does 50% so I’m struggling to see the issue? You want him to start earning more than you but say you have enough money to get by. So if he doesn’t do what you want you may as well split. Maybe I’m not getting it and you need to explain more.

Lilyhatesjaz · 12/04/2018 09:20

If he plays an instrument would he consider doing some teaching. That could be done late afternoon early evening and from home if you have the space.

Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:26

That's not a career! I know many people who gig and manage and no-one does it full time, because its not a job (except for a few professionals, and he is not one, clearly).
He's a layabout lazy muso, isn't he? He doesn't pay half and he knows it, he doesn't do half the childcare, he doesn't do half of the work.

My OH does what yours does in addition to a full time job AND does plenty of chidcare and housework.

Skatingfastonthinice · 12/04/2018 09:33

He may never be the main wage earner, but he could get a part-time shift job to top up the pot. Think student job. Retail/supermarket.
Or you could split, but childcare costs would be significant.
You were with him 6 years before having children, now 13, so you know him well.
What do you think the chances are of you changing his attitude permanently? Can you continue to be with him, knowing that?

Floottoot · 12/04/2018 09:44

I don't think he's necessarily the problem here; I think your different wants from life are.
DH and I are both musicians. We met working together, but I had to give up the performing side of work after our second child was born. DH is self employed and his work is regular but patchy - some weeks he's out all day, some weeks the odd night. Because of his work pattern and having to pick up our children etc, I've struggled to find employment ( we don't have any family to help out). I do some teaching but not enough to make any real financial difference.
Our household income is not large. However, we've been through some pretty tough ties ( chronic illness, bereavements, debts etc) and it's brought us to the conclusion that what matters to us is family, being together...to quote your DP, "the best things in life are free."
My husband sees his earnings as OUR money. I want to work but we also know that finding a full time job would make changes to the dynamic of our family and home that may be negative, so we accept that we'll never be rich.

Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:46

I don't think he's necessarily the problem here

He's unable to support his family in any meaningful sense and won't make any effort to do better. How is he not?

Hoppinggreen · 12/04/2018 09:49

He’s got more of a hobby than a job by the sounds of it.
I get that some self employment or jobs arebadly paidbut it sounds like he has a lot more earning potential
If you need more money one of you will have to try and earn more and it sounds like he could at least try

SmileyBird · 12/04/2018 09:50

So he wouldn’t leave the family home, but not could he pay for it on his own? How does that work then?

Are you married?

QuackPorridgeBacon · 12/04/2018 09:54

Slievenamon But the op is able to support them and is doing so. Why does he need to be specifically the one to support? He is bringing in money albeit not as much as the op. I don’t understand how they are together so long and this situation has been agreed upon and only now is it an issue. I must be missing something but I cannot see what. Then again I won’t get it because me and my partner don’t work and are on benefits. Even when he did work for a bit I stayed home and knew it would be less money than if we both worked but that would have been what we agreed upon. And his money would also have been my money. I don’t feel it matters who earns it as long as it’s enough to cover what’s needed.

He is supporting in a meaningful way though. He does half the childcare, if the op was paying for childcare and he wasn’t contributing then I could see your point.

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