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pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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lostjanni · 11/04/2018 20:35

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HelenaDove · 12/04/2018 00:01

Im not on the first thread but have just finished reading it. I had no idea it had escalated to this.

I usually only watch channel 4 news and theyve mostly been banging on about facebook.

Frequency · 12/04/2018 00:04

Aww, poor Snow.

She'd gotten in with her "Goodbye/End of Thread" for a second time and was feeling very proud of herself and now you've gone and spoiled it for her.

Alpacinoshoohaa · 12/04/2018 00:06

I think the media are spoking this ...cameras waiting for someone to tear down the flowers! More of them than anyone else.

Its very sad all round. I have no sympathy for the man himself but his relatives has lost someone. One would think they had the humility and intelligence to go and mourn elsewhere...however, perhaps they dont?

Its crass, I think the police should have stopped them in the first place, I feel more sorry for the victim and his family. i feel sorry for the family left behind who cannot see thats its wrong to rob people Confused

tiddliewinkiewoo · 12/04/2018 00:10

I don't think any of the prolific posters on the last thread have come across as anything other than disgraceful - hearing their own voice tantamount to any empathy either side of the argument.

Alpacinoshoohaa · 12/04/2018 00:12

...so just a typical MN thread then?

frankchickens · 12/04/2018 00:13

I think the Police have got this wrong, but as I said before, they are in a very difficult position.

It is clearly intimidation, and it's pretty sickening.

tiddliewinkiewoo · 12/04/2018 00:21

well quite alpac - I find it repugnant that some people sit and think they are above the professionals who know facts, figures and actual truths.

simple :)

GnotherGnu · 12/04/2018 00:22

The problem with the last thread was the number of people who apparently believed very strongly indeed that doing anything other than rejoicing loudly at the burglar's death was tantamount to supporting him. It would be good if we could establish from the outset that it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died.

anneoneill · 12/04/2018 00:24

Living in an area where criminal paramilitary organisations erect flags on every other lamppost to mark their territory, which is supposedly illegal but supported by the police, and then the police threaten to arrest anyone who tries to remove these intimidating objects, I can't say I'm surprised by their response here.

SarfE4sticated · 12/04/2018 00:34

I agree with you GnotherGnu

it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died

Frequency · 12/04/2018 00:42

it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died

^ this.

It is disgusting to celebrate any death but more so when the person who died was a father to young children. They'll grow up one day read these comments.

Trumpdump · 12/04/2018 00:47

I read on Twitter that after the Lee Rigby murder, the shrine was re-located to somewhere more suitable. Is this true? Shocking if it is. Shock

CDAlady · 12/04/2018 00:55

I am glad the comments on this thread so far are more decent than the previous one.

I found it particularly hard to read people calling the police ‘scum’.

Nobody would defend what the intruder did or condemn the actions of the man who acted in justified self defence. But celebrating a violent death? No. Not in a civilised society.

Frequency · 12/04/2018 00:56

Trumpdump, it is sort of true.

It was moved to an area his family and his employer recognised as an official memorial site - 700m away, where the Army had placed a plaque in his honor.

Afterwards, local council members received death threats from far right activists who disagreed with the decision to move it. That is the shocking part.

It's generally best to get your news from sources other than social media. I find Huff post to be good along with the Guardian and the BBC. Avoid the Daily Fail, you'd be better of sticking with Twitter as your main news source.

Alpineflowers · 12/04/2018 00:57

[part1] CDAlady-This is nothing to do with being ‘PC’ it is simply the way people should behave in 21st century Britain. Many people on here are behaving as if we are in 19th century Naples.

Sometimes Britain feels like 19th century Naples though. Unfortunately for most people life isn't all tea and crumpets with the vicar and PC has been to blame for covering up some seriously nasty organised crime.
Is it any wonder people get frustrated and resort to strong language in the face of it all?

HelenaDove · 12/04/2018 00:58

vicarinatutu if you are still reading Thanks

Trumpdump · 12/04/2018 01:01

Well if the police did move Lee Rigby's shrine, then they should re-locate this one too. There are more suitable, less-intrusive and threatening, places for it to be.

BlueSapp · 12/04/2018 01:04

anneoneill yes this is true but hen the PSNI are a different animal as most of them support these “illegal” gangs who can hold press conferences and not get arrested!

Frequency · 12/04/2018 01:10

Police have urged members of the public to respect the wishes of the family of an intruder who died at a home in south-east London, after floral tributes were removed for a fourth time

From the Guardian re Hither Green memorial.

But Greenwich Council said a plaque at St George's Garrison Church - opposite Woolwich Barracks, where he was stationed, and just 700m from where he was killed - is recognised by the family and the Army as the official local memorial

Leader of the council, Denise Hyland, said Fusilier Rigby's family have told her "they absolutely do not want a memorial at the site of the murder

From the BBC re Lee Rigby.

In both cases it is the wishes of the family being respected and the Police had/have nothing to do with it.

I can understand why the residents of Hither Green want the flowers moving and it does come off as intimidating but ripping down the flowers is not the way to go. It is adding to the animosity in the area. If the residents want the flowers down, they need to lobby the council.

I can also understand the family needing to grieve and wanting to mark their loss with some kind of memorial.

Both parties need to be listened to and a compromise needs to be made.

Alpineflowers · 12/04/2018 01:15

The Guardian
Is a liberal middle class 'progressive' newspaper. More of an opinion piece blog these days than a serious investigative publication and out of touch with popular feeling on just about every domestic affair.
I see they have done a piece on this, looks like they rang up a 'Romany spokesperson' for a right on 2 second sound bite to tell us all off about naughty words and beastly thoughtcrimes. So that's OK then, we can all sleep easier now I suppose according to them?

BlueSapp · 12/04/2018 01:22

Frequency
They are trying to intimidate these people it has nothing to do with grief, it’s unbelievable that you don’t understand this.
These distraught family have already told the 78 yr old victim they will kill him, Christ Confused

Quietwordinear · 12/04/2018 01:22

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BlueSapp · 12/04/2018 01:23

Intimidation is a crime

Bob13 · 12/04/2018 01:39

If Harry V was as you say, Quietwordinear, then I expect he was exposed to some seriously difficult times in his early upbringing. His path was perhaps laid out from an early age. How sad that in modern society we r not able to support the children of troubled families better, so they do not grow up to follow the trajectories laid out from toddler-hood. If Harry had been better helped as a kid, things may all have been different today. He may be alive. The elderly man may not have had to endure what he did, a family would not be mourning the loss of a son/father...

I hope Harry's children are supported so they too do not follow the same path as Harry.

Until society steps up to better provide for troubled children and young people, we will continue to see the criminal outcome of wrecked childhoods.

Harry was once a baby, a toddler at risk, a troubled child, a difficult teen. How sad how it all ends.