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pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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lostjanni · 11/04/2018 20:35

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Aeroflotgirl · 12/04/2018 09:02

If the criminal had not been breaking into people's houses, he would still be alive. It is part of the 'occupation' a life of crime.

ShatnersWig · 12/04/2018 09:08

I feel somewhat astonished at the words of Chief Superintendent Simon Dobinson, Lewisham Borough commander.

"I do not want anyone to feel intimidated or that they are not being allowed to respond in a dignified way to a tragic death"

The homeowner who can't go back to his own home and his wife must feel intimidated. I bet some of the residents of the street feel intimidated. But clearly he is more worried about the relatives feeling intimidated by people pulling down their flowers and toys on what presumably isn't a public piece of fence.

And quite honestly calling it a "tragic death" is frankly disgusting. A tragic death is someone killed in an accident way before their time, not this. Mustn't dare upset the scumbag's family who are clearly as bad as he was.

Aeroflotgirl · 12/04/2018 09:11

I agree shatner, a tragic death is anything but what happened to this felon.it is an insult to those who have died a tragic death and their families. What about poor Mr Osbourne then?

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 12/04/2018 09:13

It's vital we don't conflate being denied permission to have a memorial at a particular site with being denied the ability to have one at all. They are nowhere near being the same thing.

noeffingidea · 12/04/2018 09:15

Shatnerswig I'm not astonished. It's par for the course really. The authorities in this country have a history of sitting on problems and ignoring them, until they get out of hand. Muslim fundamentalism, grooming gangs, gangs in London.

Aeroflotgirl · 12/04/2018 09:15

They can have a memorial on their own grounds, not in the community which Mr Osbourne lived and where they committed their crimes.

Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:17

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Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:19

it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died

That was a point many of us made repeatedly on the last thread but were laughed at, called scumbag criminal sympathisers and psychos and worse. There were some truly vile specimens on the kast thread though, luckily this one seems to have less disgusting types on it. I'm sure they'll pop up though!

Frequency · 12/04/2018 09:24

I was on the last thread but left when it descended into a competition regarding who hated criminals the most and who would punish them the worst.

It genuinely did make me feel a bit queasy. Some of the posters on that thread need to remember their own children are one bad choice away from an addiction which will drive them to commit similar crimes. I've seen heroin addiction take the lives of middle class men in the blink of an eye. You are not protected by being 'naice'.

Would their own children become less than human and deserving of death?

BertrandRussell · 12/04/2018 09:25

“it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died”

I genuinely don’t understand why this is a remotely controversial statement.

Mydoghatesthebath · 12/04/2018 09:26

Well as regards the last thread the only comment I found bad was calling the police scum. However it was a heated debate.

I think we are losing sight in this country about what is right we are loosing our moral compass because we are trying desperately to be even handed and not upset so called minorities.

I think we need to look at people as individuals not as part of communities. So the travelling community, the black community. the Asian community, the white working class! It’s all nonsense there are no communities just individual people and families.

Bad people hide behind labels so the Bankers hid behind lawyers and money, the Rotherham gangs hid behind ‘being muslim’ and so scaring off proper investigation. These so called travellers are intimidating and harassing an elderly couple but the authorities are slow to act as they want to appear even handed.

If it doesn’t stop the bad people will win and we will have the society wolly minded sloppy and scared politicians and authorities have created.

Clearly this man was a scum bag. No loss to society s bully and a vile human being. His family have no right to hang tributes on that fence and are doing so to intimidate and scare the elderly couple. Those are the facts.

Just like the facts of the greedy bankers and the paedophilie Asian gangs. If we ignore facts for feelings we have lost.

Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:28

I genuinely don’t understand why this is a remotely controversial statement

I advise you not to read the last thread then, it might make you feel ill. Lots of whackadoodles crowing about it being great your man was dead and how he deserved it and the rest of them should be dead too.

Well as regards the last thread the only comment I found bad was calling the police scum

Well you wouldn't find the vile comments bad, you were one of them making them.

LagunaBubbles · 12/04/2018 09:29

I found it particularly hard to read people calling the police ‘scum’.

People didnt. One poster did.

BertrandRussell · 12/04/2018 09:33

Scum is such a mindless sort of word to use, isn’t it? It’s like “I hope they rot in hell” Always makes me think of the people who run after police vans bashing on the sides........

ShatnersWig · 12/04/2018 09:38

Bertrand I don't know. I think someone who spent most of his life, along with his family, in preying on elderly vulnerable people, whom he called "a bunch of cunts" is worthy of the term scum or scumbag to be honest. And it's a term I very rarely use.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 12/04/2018 09:50

I always wonder, with people who behave like Vincent did, how many vulnerable elderly peoples demise they hastened. How many last years they ruined. And how much more of this Vincent might have been able to fit in had he continued living. It's one of the main reasons why it's better he's dead. I celebrate for the vulnerable elderly he won't now be able to harm, whilst also acknowledging what his actions did to the victims in this case.

Mydoghatesthebath · 12/04/2018 09:50

No I made no vile comments but received many from one poster. They were deleted and my comments weren’t so I thunk that speaks for itself. I have no desire to engage with such posters.

I very very rarely use the term scum but to me it fits the bill with this despicable man.

So what would you call himBertrand? Misunderstood?

For evil to flourish good people... you get the drift. For goodness sake stop choking on your copy of the guardian and for once just stick up for the poor victim in all of this the elderly couple.

maxthemartian · 12/04/2018 09:52

I'm a bit shocked by that police statement. By all accounts, the residents are feeling extremely intimidated, whereas I doubt the criminal's family have felt intimidated by anyone in their lives, they specialise in doing the intimidating.

Alpineflowers · 12/04/2018 09:54

The only thing wrong with the last thread was the posts going on and on about their own hurt feelings and mock outrage over what someone in another comment said

Mydoghatesthebath · 12/04/2018 09:54

Oh yes I forgot there was another disgraceful comment from Elendon that said the elderly man was neither elderly or frail as he could drink 2 pints of stout and her mother was far more sprightly at 96!

Vile victim blaming

lookingforaline18 · 12/04/2018 09:55

What really fucks me off about this family, is that if he had lived and got away with the old man's money and possessions then they would have been happy and enriching their own lives with said money and possessions. They wouldn't have given a shiny shit about him or what their beloved son/daddy/cousin/brother had done. They said they are proud of him. Absolute SCUMBAGS.

That's why it is such a fucking insult that they are laying flowers near his home. Angry

Slievenamon · 12/04/2018 09:56

No I made no vile comments but received many from one poster. They were deleted and my comments weren’t so I thunk that speaks for itself. I have no desire to engage with such posters

You made some disgusting comments actually, not being deleted is not the criteria of whether comments are vile or not.

Not going to argue with you now though, hopefully you will more measured and less frothing on this thread than you were on the last.

Repeat, for those who don't get it:
it is perfectly possible to believe that his conduct was utterly despicable and yet not feel like celebrating the fact that he died

So stop accusing anyone not doing a happy dance at the death of not being sympathetic to the elderly couple Hmm

ShatnersWig · 12/04/2018 09:59

Wonder how the Vincent family would react if someone broke into their place and got killed, and then that burglar's family turned up to place floral tributes in their street? I get the impression they probably wouldn't like it and would rip them down. I may be wrong....

BertrandRussell · 12/04/2018 10:00

“So what would you call himBertrand? Misunderstood? ”

Can’t you think of any other llanguage? It’s either “Rot in hell, scum” or “isunderstood”?

ShatnersWig · 12/04/2018 10:06

Bertrand Would "a despicable excuse for a human being" be more acceptable rather than scumbag then? Or perhaps "a totally amoral cunt of the highest order"?

Note: This is only third time I have ever used the word cunt on MN (there's the fourth) and I've only used it once in real life out loud.