To not want a stranger asking my daughter if she thinks she's a boy

[moonmaker]

Really cross about this
My daughter is at an all girls secondary
She said they had an lgbt workshop at school yesterday but it was predominantly about gender identity .
Some of the things said were :
Are you sure you're a girl ?and why do you think you're a girl ?
You have a choice , you can choose to be male
Don't worry about your religion getting in the way , you can b x religion and trans
A good percentage of you , statistically speaking , are going to be trans
Being a boy / girl is a 'feeling ' so you can change

Am very unhappy about this. Why should 12 year old girls be forced to speak with a stranger about their sexual identity and orientation ? In dds words 'it was like he was forcing us to admit we are trans' 'I had to go along with it or get a detention'
Would it be acceptable for adults to be made to speak with someone they don't know or trust about something like this ?
I believe it's dangerous telling girls they can be men if they want to . And irresponsible .
We're supposed to be telling our young women that they can do anything as women, pursue whatever interests, hobbies or career and that makes them no less a woman . Wtf is going on ?
I want to call school today and discuss this . What should I say ?

It is bizarre when a 12 year old knows that 'I think boys are boys and girls are girls' is an unacceptable statement that will land her in detention.

A good percentage of you , statistically speaking , are going to be trans

WHAT THE FUCK?

Very inaporopriate, it's bloody brainwashing. I woukd be fuming and contacting the school. There is one thing to talk to kids about trans, what it is. But to brainwash them like that and to question a child's sexuality is inaporopriate.

Kids this age usually know themselves where they, but to question a child's sexuality and tell them they are wrong, it's a no.

Strange - that sounds a bit too close to my ‘many of you would not be here’ experience - using shock tactics.

Outrageous. Absolutely outrageous!

A formal complaint and a board meeting as a starting point.

Education is supposed to give people the means to understand and work things out for themselves and question what is told.

Mum I'm pretty sure being a girl isn't a feeling and that girls are girls and boys are boys
I said -why didn't you say that?
She said - I can't say that Mum ! I'd end up in detention!

See I don't believe she would end up in detention for politely discussing the subject of the workshop, do you OP?

It's fair enough (completely) that she didn't want to discuss it, but actually choosing to politely discuss it, would have been exactly the point of the whole workshop.

A good percentage? Current estimates suggest 0.5%. In an average secondary school that might be one or two children per year. "A good percentage" would be a reasonable description of the numbers likely to be LGBT(etc) more generally, but not trans* specifically.

The clash of certain forms of transactivism with LGB rights is very troubling.

Email school asking for a copy of the materials and information on who provided the training. Then arrange a meeting to discuss.
It sounds very unprofessional. I'd want reassurances that they wouldn't be used again and a presentation about biology and anthropology to counter the bad science and explain gender/societal norms in a global context.

Worra my usually outspoken dd doesn't feel she can say anything that doesn't comply with the status quo in regards to gender identity . That suggests to me there was no debate or exploring around the issue and that is one of my concerns . She isn't stupid - she knows she can politely debate with teachers in lots of subjects and often does .

Being a boy / girl is a 'feeling ' so you can change Being a boy or a girl is biological.

A good percentage will be trans - wtaf..? So in the male/ female brain test mine comes out as male. Does this make me trans then? Er no, I'm just a woman in the normal range of being a woman.

I'd have been in the school this morning making my voice very heard!

I’m guessing the good percentage was those who will be gay. I repeat, don’t rely 100% on what a 12 yo has remembered from what sounds like a pretty mentally taxing workshop earlier in the day.

Talk about trying to manipulate young minds at their most vulnerable stage in development. It’s basically an attempt at brainwashing. I’d be fucking furious.

And to add worra it's not the detention that would bother me . It's the implication that there's a set agenda that cannot be refuted that my 12 year old picked up on instantly . I there probably wouldn't have been a detention had she said that , but that is not the point . The point is there is a climate of taboo around gender criticism that a very young adolescent has picked up on .

Can you find out who ran the workshop OP?

It's important to be able to challenge the organisations pushing this harmful ideology.

Yes but isn't the point of the workshop to get rid of the taboo?

It does sound extremely one-sided though from what your DD has said, so probably unhelpful for everyone involved.

moonmaker
Worra my usually outspoken dd doesn't feel she can say anything that doesn't comply with the status quo in regards to gender identity .

Does the subject come up often at school?

As with any other potential incident at school, before making assumptions/judgments, I think it is essential to fact check with the school - why don't you establish who provided the workshop and what was actually said and discussed?

"No idea who ran the workshop . There was no letter home"

Sorry-don't buy that. Either you missed the letter or the school is wildly out of order. Ring the school now and ask who ran the workshop. They will know in the office. No need to wait to talk to any specific person.

Trans activists are even coming into nurseries and primary schools as well with this kind of agenda. It is not as simple as you can be who you want to be regardless or religion. For some that are trans, they have outside pressures that do inhibit being who they want to be, and have to deal with that and inner conflicts. This transactivist in op dd school, was far too simplistic. I would find out if they are due in again, and voice my concerns to the HT. How would they feel if that was a Christian or whoever indoctrinating at school, parents would be unhappy about this.

this definitely happened.

What did the school office say, OP?