To not want a stranger asking my daughter if she thinks she's a boy

[moonmaker]

Really cross about this
My daughter is at an all girls secondary
She said they had an lgbt workshop at school yesterday but it was predominantly about gender identity .
Some of the things said were :
Are you sure you're a girl ?and why do you think you're a girl ?
You have a choice , you can choose to be male
Don't worry about your religion getting in the way , you can b x religion and trans
A good percentage of you , statistically speaking , are going to be trans
Being a boy / girl is a 'feeling ' so you can change

Am very unhappy about this. Why should 12 year old girls be forced to speak with a stranger about their sexual identity and orientation ? In dds words 'it was like he was forcing us to admit we are trans' 'I had to go along with it or get a detention'
Would it be acceptable for adults to be made to speak with someone they don't know or trust about something like this ?
I believe it's dangerous telling girls they can be men if they want to . And irresponsible .
We're supposed to be telling our young women that they can do anything as women, pursue whatever interests, hobbies or career and that makes them no less a woman . Wtf is going on ?
I want to call school today and discuss this . What should I say ?

“The movement is very strong because it has serious financial backing from American pharmaceutical companies who have a vested interest in getting kids dependant on life long cross sex hormones. Some schools, universities and hospitals are receiving funding, it's in all of their interest to promote it”

Galway- do you have any links to any of this? I’ve been asking “cui bono” for ages.......

borntobequiet
As for those who don't get the difference between biological sex and sexual attraction - where were you in Biology lessons?
Sex is binary, Female or Male, XX or XY chromosomes. Fact.

To which posts are you referring? I think you may well have misunderstood what you have read.

The post that said it was inconsistent to reject transgender while accepting a spectrum of sexual attraction.
If transgender means "becoming a member of the opposite sex", as it increasingly seems to, I don't think I have misunderstood anything.
Unless you are being deliberately obtuse.

acceptance of both is based on accepting what an individual tells you.

Offs.

Do you seriously (as Barracker asked you earlier) want a run down on what sexual arousal looks like? Because it is objectively verifiable.

Would it be appropriate for adults to give children photos of girls and boys and ask them to consider their sexual orientation and whether they really were straight or there was any possibility they might be gay or bi? Or write down on a publically class shared chart whether they are straight, gay or bi? Of course not. The kids who are gay or bi will figure it out in their own time and share that information when they're ready. So will the trans kids.

I and a sibling were both lesbians in secondary schools at a time when teachers were not allowed to talk about homosexuality or the gay teachers be out, due to section 28. Even talking about it was considered 'promoting' it. We both would have clung to positive role models in school, images that showed this as a normal part of life, and strong work around bullying and tolerance for difference, most of which at root is toxic masclinity.

If someone had demanded at 12 that I wrote on a board in front of my class if I was gay or straight or bi I'd have lied. If my sister and I were in schools now both of us would have been very much vulnerable to the trans narrative, and my sister who went down the whole shave her head, dms, self harm, tattoos and piercings route would very likely have grabbed access to drugs and surgery to try and stifle the misery she felt at the time. Thank God this wasn't around then as she and her wife are happily raising their kids now. The teenaged lesbians falling vulnerable to puberty blockers now are not only losing their fertility, they're even losing their sex drive before it develops.

based on accepting what an individual tells you

If you go around accepting what an individual tells you, without using your reason and regardless of objective reality, then at some point you're liable to be conned.

borntobequiet
The post that said it was inconsistent to reject transgender while accepting a spectrum of sexual attraction.
If transgender means "becoming a member of the opposite sex", as it increasingly seems to, I don't think I have misunderstood anything.

So you did misread my post. Pointing out the similarities of the basis for accepting/rejecting two separate statuses does not equate to not understanding the differences between the two.

Narrowing down being trans to becoming a member of the opposite sex might make it easier for you/others to reject, but I think your definition is too literal, narrow and simplistic and is not something that would be shared by all those who are transgender.

Kneedeepinunicorns
Do you seriously (as Barracker asked you earlier) want a run down on what sexual arousal looks like? Because it is objectively verifiable.

No, I made it clear that sexuality in the quoted context meant sexual orientation. If you think that sexual orientation can ever be wholly objectively verifiable, then I would disagree entirely.

I suspect the workshop was run by Gendered Intelligence

@BetrtrandRussell: 4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/ I don't think it's big pharma behind the transborg but I do think there's big money and big power involved

Pointing out similarities of the basis for accepting or rejecting two separate statuses doesn't equate to not understanding the differences between the two - OK.
However, going to the trouble to construct an argument that obfuscates the issue by focusing on these similarities rather than on the reality of the issue does suggest a deliberate attempt to distract, confuse and minimize the differences.
Any explanation of reality must be by its nature simplistic. So I don't mind a little simplicity so long as it's consistent with scientific evidence. I wouldn't expect to share my opinions with people who say they are transgender. The word transgender has no real meaning. Either one is a man who has become a woman, or vice versa, which is impossible, or one is a man who prefers to act and dress as a woman, or vice versa, which is simply a member of one sex who behaves and dresses as a member of the other sex, possibly with the aid of hormones or surgery.
However, if I meet someone who says they are transgender I understand what they are trying to convey and treat them respectfully and politely, as I have done since I met one first - transsexual in those days - in about 1975.

I'd be very pissed off about this. Being a boy/girl isn't a 'feeling' . It's a biological state, and not something that can be changed. I didn't send my children to school to be taught things that blatantly aren't true and that I then have to waste my time correcting.

Any update OP?

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

fascicle
Male has an objective definition
Female has an objective definition
Sexual attraction has an objective definition
One can objectively verify whether a consensual sexual relationship between two humans is homosexual or heterosexual.

Trans does not have an objective definition
It has an objective part (the sex of the subject, based upon chromosomes, reproductive organs etc)
And a subjective part (the idea that one can 'feel' as if one .....WHAT? has different organs to one's reality? Has different chromosomes to one's actual chromosomes?)

There's a reason no one can articulate what 'internal gender' means or how it manifests, or any of its characteristics.

There is no way to FEEL one sex whilst BEING another.
Gender is a myth, and it falls apart the moment you examine it.

I find it so sad we cant encouraged our children to accept the sex they were born and letting them know the things they like to wear or do are not male or female. How can cinvincing kids to hate themselves be the right thing to do and encouraging them to accept themselves and not to put labels on irrelevant likes, such as wearing make up, be seen as transphobic.

Someone is not familiar with the Norwegian black metal scene

MrsUnderwood I read that exchange out to my teenage son (gender critical, has long, long, hair, is fond of folk metal) and he enjoys your approach on these matters!

moonmaker

I have no hesitation in accepting what you say. The way schools are targeted is very concerning.

The trans pressure group in this link conducted a campaign to force a school to change their policy.

When you read exactly how they did it, it's shocking. When you see the agenda, and the determination you are left with little doubt as to how, and why, this works the way it does.

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

"I refer to trans people as I would creationists - I can call them by their label if they wish, and of course, the people exist, but the concept they use to define themselves isn't real."

Highly debateable

Then debate!

I expect you will be waiting a while for that debate Barmer, what say you?

So you think people can change sex Penny?

Barmer: no thanks I've got better things to do on a Sunday night

DamnSpartacus:, No I don't

Knew it

Glad to hear Shania

For those who've asked for an update
School is obviously closed for Easter now but I've decided to request information regarding the workshop in writing from the school . I'm glad I didn't ring up as I have absolutely no doubt it would have ended up being either fruitless ( passed from one person to another or disregarded ) or, possibly worse , conformational. They would surely want to know why I'm asking , possibly pass the phone to someone higher up and I didn't want to be put on the spot but want to discuss this face to face when I have the facts . So I am penning a short, concise letter requesting to know :

• who led the workshop
• what organisation they were from

-The contents

• the purpose
• if and how parents were informed in case I missed it ( I've checked all the social media , newsletters , websites , checked with other parents , no sign of it )
• to meet with the head to discuss the ramifications of the workshop on my child ( not worded like that , obv) . Regardless of who led it , dd feels debate has been stifled and that a certain viewpoint was forced on her which is what worries me and I'd like a way forward moving on from this .
• attaching the information from the transgender trend website

Thanks to everyone who has contributed with suggestions . It's been super helpful !

*confrontational