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To consider going against my own strongly held beliefs about getting married before having children

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 14:51

Have name changed as I’m usually woefully sloppy with giving out identifying details about myself, and am a known MNetter in real life, so thought I’d make an attempt at privacy for this. Sorry in advance but this will likely be long.

I have always felt very strongly that I wanted to be married before having children. No judgment on whatever anyone else chooses to do, and I know often the decision is taken out of people’s hands anyway, but I’ve alays felt I wanted to be absolutely committed to someone before deciding to bring a child into the world with them on purpose. Plus the legal protection of marriage plays into my reasoning in no small part. I’ve been 100% sure I will get married before trying for kids for as long as I could possibly have been thinking about such things, it’s never been in doubt for me (and actually I’d have considered it a deal breaker if a partner hadn’t agreed to it)

I am 30, DP is 28 and we’ve been together for 6 years. We are very settled and happy together, he’s a fantastic partner and my best friend. We’ve decided we want to get married, and have been talking about when to have children. We’ve been talking about it for a couple of years actually, but turning 30 ramped it up for me.

We were looking at getting married next year, but even trying to do a wedding on the cheap (big stately home do’s are not us) it was still getting expensive very quickly. We are lucky to have lots of friends and family we really love and would want to share the day with. I tried to cut our potential invite list down to the absolute bare minimum and still couldn’t get it below 70, not including kids. This is a lovely problem to have but it does add up the costs even just in food and drink. I considered briefly eloping or doing it just with immediate family and best friends (which would still take us beyond....30 or 40 people at least!) but I just couldn’t do it, I want the people I love there. So we’ve decided to marry instead in 2020, on a date that’s significant to us and I think worth waiting for, and enables us to save for the wedding we want. I am happy with this decision after a couple of months of worrying how to make it all work, and the pressure of figuring out how to sort it in that time has just gone. But of course this pushes back TTC by at least a year if not more, date is about 2.5 years from now.

So now I’m thinking, why don’t we just try for a baby now? There seem lots of very good reasons to just go for it, and try to have a baby before the wedding. But I’m really going back and forth on myself. DP knows how I’ve always felt about being married first and had agreed with what made me happy, but he doesn’t feel so strongly about it so wants me to be sure of my feelings.

My good reasons include:

  • I know 30 isn’t old, and I’ve no reason to doubt my fertility, but I’m conscious that having your kids younger is generally better for health reasons. I also recently had some cervical cell changes discovered at a smear (it’s fine for now but they’re being monitored as early stage at risk) and the thought that I could put off and put off trying, and then have the choice taken away from me by something like cancer feels me with such deep dread.
  • DP has a medical condition which could impact sperm motility. It’s not for sure, and potentially a low risk, but should it be the case it could take us longer to conceive and I think we should consider that. At the moment time and age are on our side.
  • Our relationship is wonderful and solid. I know I have a true partner in DP, he won’t be ‘babysitting’ his own kids, and he doesn’t ‘help me with the house’, he does his perfect fair share of our life together (if not more at times). He is fair and patient. I can completely rely on him. Marriage would solidify that legally but I don’t have any fears about him leaving or his skills as a parent. He is already a wonderful uncle, in fact he’s probably more child friendly than I am, and ‘Dad’ to our cats. I know he will care for and support me and any children amazingly, whether we’re already married or not.
  • My DDad died very suddenly, young, recently. Both my grandfathers also died young, I didn’t know them. It has brought mine and my other loved ones mortality into focus (unsurprisingly) and I want to make sure my kids know my DM and DPs wonderful parents, who are all already brilliant and involved GPs, and have them around in all our lives for as long as possible. DM is on heart medication and hopefully will live another 30 years, but her DM died when she was 33, and I know she’s always felt her absence in hers and is children’s lives. The longer we wait the less potential time I see.
  • I am close to my siblings and cousins and want my DCs to have that opportunity too. Our sibling’s children are already appearing and I’d love them all to be close in age.
  • We live amongst a great support network of friends and family we can rely on, emotionally and physically. We are very lucky in this regard.
  • Financially we are just about fine. Could always be better of course, but DP is on an upwards trajectory and even as we are now living costs including childcare would be fine. We don’t own our house, but we live near London and prices are nuts. If we waited to own we could be waiting a long time!

So yes, many ticks in the yes box! But what about some cons?

  • We have some debt. Not crazy but needs dealing with, any decision to TTC would have to be accompanied by heavy duty knuckling down to saving and debt repayment, but I think knowing why we were working hard to do that quickly would make it easier.

But number one negative - I fear I will always judge myself for not waiting, for going against my own beliefs that I’ve always held so highly. I’m not worried about anyone else’s thoughts, I don’t think it would bother anyone else at all which way round we did it, but it might well bother me, and I’d hate to have that niggling regret in the back of my mind - I guess that I didn’t meet my own standards for want of a better term.

But I’m conscious that anything can always happen, we can’t plan life to a tee and sometimes maybe we just need to go for it? I am a worrier and do always feel like I need to be in control of ‘the plan’ but recent events have shown me sometimes you really can’t plan.

Fully prepared to be told I’m being utterly ridiculous, but after rolling this around in my head gettings nowhere for a few weeks I thought I’d present it to the wonders of MN and see what you all thought.

So, if you made it this far, thanks! Would be grateful for any advice.

OP posts:
HibbityBlibbity · 22/03/2018 15:00

I can see both sides of this and was in a similar situation myself, but for me the main thing was I can get married anytime, but I only have so many years I can have a baby. A baby was more time critical for me so I went for the baby.

louise5754 · 22/03/2018 15:01

There are worse problems to have

GabriellaMontez · 22/03/2018 15:03

Do you jointly own your house? Do you have wills? All the legal stuff would be on my mind. Otherwise... you're allowed to change your mind!

OhHolyJesus · 22/03/2018 15:04

I had similar issues but married before DS and am so glad I had that day without a child around! However selfish that may sound, it was about us as a couple before we were a family and I felt my most beautiful and fulfilled and I wouldn't have been as focused on having fun if I had DC at that time. Just my personal feelings.
Legally, I believe it is better to be married before children but many many people do it the other way around and there's nothing you can't correct by just writing it down and signing it off with legal advice.

Laska5772 · 22/03/2018 15:04

get married in reg office now and dont tell anyone , then have big party in 2020.

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MyBrilliantDisguise · 22/03/2018 15:08

Do you know what, though? A very short while after people have these big weddings, they are just carrying on with normal life and the wedding is more or less forgotten by most. I know it's a lovely day but think about it - I bet you had a lovely Christmas but you're not thinking about now, in March, are you?

Why don't you marry in a very simple and quiet ceremony and save all that money (and it will be thousands of pounds) on having some time off after the baby's born?

Or why don't you have a quiet ceremony with immediate family over and then plan a number of small dinner parties or BBQs over the summer to celebrate?

You have debt now. Be sensible - get rid of that and start to save. Having a child is expensive - get yourself in a good financial situation before you have one.

mummymeister · 22/03/2018 15:10

personally, I just would not have done anything like shared a house or a mortgage or had children with someone before being married. why? because the unmarried woman always gets the shitty end of the stick if something goes wrong. Look you could go and just get married now in a registry office with 2 witnesses and then its done. Thats the legal box ticked and it gives you the legal protection. you could then start ttc and in the meantime plan a party for family and friends and have a celebrant to do your vows etc.

People spend way, way too much on weddings. its just a party. you don't need sweet carts and matching dressing gowns and all that crap you really don't. I have been to some cheap as chips weddings and they were the best. one was a pot luck supper - we all bought a plate of food, something with a connection to the bride and groom and it was hilarious to see all the different sorts of dishes and the effort that friends and family had made. I went to a bread and cheese reception - just lots of different breads and cheeses with fruit. we grazed on it all day and all evening and was much nicer than a plate of congealed chicken in a sauce that the happy couple had stumped up £70 a head for.

OutsideContextProblem · 22/03/2018 15:12

I’m a bit confused about the finances. You say that you can confidently afford the cost of a baby (so, a year off work and then the eyewatering cost of childcare) but you have to put the wedding off for two years on grounds of cost?

Apart from that I agree that you should go for it. Make wills (“in contemplation of marriage” so you don’t have to do them again later) and regularise the ownership of property.

xyla589 · 22/03/2018 15:12

Save for the child, not for one day that will be over in a flash.

Eliza9917 · 22/03/2018 15:13

You need to decide whether it's about a marriage or a wedding.

Have your plan but be prepared to change it, bring it forward and do it smaller you get pg

BakedBeans47 · 22/03/2018 15:14

get married in reg office now and dont tell anyone , then have big party in 2020.

This.

If being married is what’s important to you, you don’t need a big wedding. Have a small wedding now and a big bash further down the line

Isitfate · 22/03/2018 15:15

Louise yes there are worse problems but this is an important decision for the op.
Op Think about it this way.... a wedding is a day, a family is a lifestyle.
There are admittedly, benefits to being married, more security etc especially considering often it is the women who is financially disadvantaged with childcare/maternity leave etc etc.
What if you wait until age 32, you are married. It takes you a year to conceive. You will be 34 when baby is born. Do you desire more than one child? What if you need to space a couple of years between them? Pregnancy can take its toll physically and mentally and some women need a break between babies. or you may need to for financial reasons. If that’s the case you will be then be 37 when next child is born.
Nothing right or wrong about this scenario. But Does that picture look ok to you? Or do you see yourself as a younger mum.

Could you visualise yourself at your wedding with a toddler? Is that a happy thought? Or would it always be inconsistent with your standard of the ideal marriage before baby?

Could you conceive, have a very small wedding when pregnant, just a ceremony. Then renew vows in 2020, and celebrate it just like your wedding would have been and invite everyone to celebrate then?

It’s a tricky decision for you.

FlippingFoal · 22/03/2018 15:15

A wedding is cheaper than a child - if you can't afford to wed on the cheap, can you afford children?

TheViceOfReason · 22/03/2018 15:15

It sounds utterly bonkers to spend a lot of money which you don't have on a wedding, whilst considering putting off TTC.

Go to a registry office and get married, then throw a party in a village hall for your friends - will cost under £1k.

Then focus on living your life. Putting it on hold for a wedding just isn't worth it.

MyKingdomForBrie · 22/03/2018 15:16

I loved my wedding day, it was fantastic but now I have dd i sometimes think I’d rather have the 20k back! I don’t regret it but she changed my priorities a lot.

I would just go for ttc at this point - if you wait 2.5 years and then struggle you could really regret waiting.

Mookatron · 22/03/2018 15:16

Apart from all the serious and important things mentioned above, planning a wedding with small children around is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE and reason enough to do the marrying first.

expatinscotland · 22/03/2018 15:17

Elope to the registry office. Big party in 2020 if finances permit.

RJnomore1 · 22/03/2018 15:17

Marriage costs about £200 and offers all types of legal protection. No one has a baby with a man they think will abandon them but plenty do.

Get married now and have a huge party to celebrate your baby later on if you want to.

MrsPussinBoots · 22/03/2018 15:17

I insisted on getting married before having a baby. 5 years later I'm a single mum paying for a divorce.

Just something to consider.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 22/03/2018 15:17

Was going to say the same as Laska. Go the the registry office and do it. You will be married and virtually not cost. You can have a party and celebrate with friends and family sometime afterwards if you want. But you don't need a 'wedding' to get married.

IsAnyoneElseMissingCheese · 22/03/2018 15:21

If I were you I would go with just the parents as witnesses and get married at the registry office. A few hundred quid at most, have a nice restaurant dinner afterwards. Then have a baby. Then save up for whatever larger celebration you would like and do that on your anniversary date (you could plan this in advance, get married on a Thursday if you want the party in a Saturday in future etc) and that's when everyone celebrates. Your anniversary date holds, everything's legal before baby.

And congratulations op, for it all!

PinkHeart5914 · 22/03/2018 15:23

Honestly I would start ttc sooner rather than later. Thing is ttc can be successful the first month or it might not be for years and if I was 30 and wanted dc I would get trying. If you wait until 2020 ttc and it doesn’t happen, I’d fear that will be your biggest regret. No way would I risk never getting my baby for a bloody wedding, your with the man you love so putting it on hold isn’t worth it IMO.

HollyBayTree · 22/03/2018 15:24

if you want to get married, less tahn £100 down the registrars office.

No way on Gods green earth would I leave my self wide open to having kids with someone I wasnt married to.

VladmirsPoutine · 22/03/2018 15:24

To be honest you need to separate out whether it's a belief you have for practical or ideological reasons. There's no need to be disappointed in yourself.
A marriage is a marriage - a wedding is an event. All else aside, many women that found themselves up shit creek with a dc or two in tow also once thought their relationships were "rock solid".