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To consider going against my own strongly held beliefs about getting married before having children

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 14:51

Have name changed as I’m usually woefully sloppy with giving out identifying details about myself, and am a known MNetter in real life, so thought I’d make an attempt at privacy for this. Sorry in advance but this will likely be long.

I have always felt very strongly that I wanted to be married before having children. No judgment on whatever anyone else chooses to do, and I know often the decision is taken out of people’s hands anyway, but I’ve alays felt I wanted to be absolutely committed to someone before deciding to bring a child into the world with them on purpose. Plus the legal protection of marriage plays into my reasoning in no small part. I’ve been 100% sure I will get married before trying for kids for as long as I could possibly have been thinking about such things, it’s never been in doubt for me (and actually I’d have considered it a deal breaker if a partner hadn’t agreed to it)

I am 30, DP is 28 and we’ve been together for 6 years. We are very settled and happy together, he’s a fantastic partner and my best friend. We’ve decided we want to get married, and have been talking about when to have children. We’ve been talking about it for a couple of years actually, but turning 30 ramped it up for me.

We were looking at getting married next year, but even trying to do a wedding on the cheap (big stately home do’s are not us) it was still getting expensive very quickly. We are lucky to have lots of friends and family we really love and would want to share the day with. I tried to cut our potential invite list down to the absolute bare minimum and still couldn’t get it below 70, not including kids. This is a lovely problem to have but it does add up the costs even just in food and drink. I considered briefly eloping or doing it just with immediate family and best friends (which would still take us beyond....30 or 40 people at least!) but I just couldn’t do it, I want the people I love there. So we’ve decided to marry instead in 2020, on a date that’s significant to us and I think worth waiting for, and enables us to save for the wedding we want. I am happy with this decision after a couple of months of worrying how to make it all work, and the pressure of figuring out how to sort it in that time has just gone. But of course this pushes back TTC by at least a year if not more, date is about 2.5 years from now.

So now I’m thinking, why don’t we just try for a baby now? There seem lots of very good reasons to just go for it, and try to have a baby before the wedding. But I’m really going back and forth on myself. DP knows how I’ve always felt about being married first and had agreed with what made me happy, but he doesn’t feel so strongly about it so wants me to be sure of my feelings.

My good reasons include:

  • I know 30 isn’t old, and I’ve no reason to doubt my fertility, but I’m conscious that having your kids younger is generally better for health reasons. I also recently had some cervical cell changes discovered at a smear (it’s fine for now but they’re being monitored as early stage at risk) and the thought that I could put off and put off trying, and then have the choice taken away from me by something like cancer feels me with such deep dread.
  • DP has a medical condition which could impact sperm motility. It’s not for sure, and potentially a low risk, but should it be the case it could take us longer to conceive and I think we should consider that. At the moment time and age are on our side.
  • Our relationship is wonderful and solid. I know I have a true partner in DP, he won’t be ‘babysitting’ his own kids, and he doesn’t ‘help me with the house’, he does his perfect fair share of our life together (if not more at times). He is fair and patient. I can completely rely on him. Marriage would solidify that legally but I don’t have any fears about him leaving or his skills as a parent. He is already a wonderful uncle, in fact he’s probably more child friendly than I am, and ‘Dad’ to our cats. I know he will care for and support me and any children amazingly, whether we’re already married or not.
  • My DDad died very suddenly, young, recently. Both my grandfathers also died young, I didn’t know them. It has brought mine and my other loved ones mortality into focus (unsurprisingly) and I want to make sure my kids know my DM and DPs wonderful parents, who are all already brilliant and involved GPs, and have them around in all our lives for as long as possible. DM is on heart medication and hopefully will live another 30 years, but her DM died when she was 33, and I know she’s always felt her absence in hers and is children’s lives. The longer we wait the less potential time I see.
  • I am close to my siblings and cousins and want my DCs to have that opportunity too. Our sibling’s children are already appearing and I’d love them all to be close in age.
  • We live amongst a great support network of friends and family we can rely on, emotionally and physically. We are very lucky in this regard.
  • Financially we are just about fine. Could always be better of course, but DP is on an upwards trajectory and even as we are now living costs including childcare would be fine. We don’t own our house, but we live near London and prices are nuts. If we waited to own we could be waiting a long time!

So yes, many ticks in the yes box! But what about some cons?

  • We have some debt. Not crazy but needs dealing with, any decision to TTC would have to be accompanied by heavy duty knuckling down to saving and debt repayment, but I think knowing why we were working hard to do that quickly would make it easier.

But number one negative - I fear I will always judge myself for not waiting, for going against my own beliefs that I’ve always held so highly. I’m not worried about anyone else’s thoughts, I don’t think it would bother anyone else at all which way round we did it, but it might well bother me, and I’d hate to have that niggling regret in the back of my mind - I guess that I didn’t meet my own standards for want of a better term.

But I’m conscious that anything can always happen, we can’t plan life to a tee and sometimes maybe we just need to go for it? I am a worrier and do always feel like I need to be in control of ‘the plan’ but recent events have shown me sometimes you really can’t plan.

Fully prepared to be told I’m being utterly ridiculous, but after rolling this around in my head gettings nowhere for a few weeks I thought I’d present it to the wonders of MN and see what you all thought.

So, if you made it this far, thanks! Would be grateful for any advice.

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:56

@wildduckhunt no it would continue to be my Mum but that’s fine with me, we’re very close

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Justanotherzombie · 22/03/2018 15:56

You're actually prioritising a big wedding with everyone over 1. being married and 2. having a child with someone you are married to.

Just get married in either a small affair or in secret with a big party after.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:57

Sorry to repeat myself but - registry office with 10 people really isn’t an option for me. Baby first and wait for what we really want would be more important than quick wedding just to say we’re married.
Maybe I’ve answered my own question on that one?

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Isitfate · 22/03/2018 15:57

If you were equally concerned about being a parent at a younger age and being married before babies, I think it would seem more difficult.
But from your last post, delaying pregnancy doesn’t seem to be as much of an issue for you than your wedding/marriage.
It seems like your wedding plans are more important right now and guessing more people have children in their thirties than twenties now, so it’s reasonable to prioritise this way, If I’ve read your posts correctly.

Woollysheepsheep · 22/03/2018 15:58

We got married for about £200.

We are no less married than anyone else.

You've write an epic post about something that is neither here nor there.

Do you want to get married? Or do you want to have a wedding?

If you are sure you're getting married anyway, what difference does it make if you try for a baby first?

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:58

Wedding wouldn’t be a £20,000 jobby, more like £6000/7000 ish and I think DPs parents would offer to pay for some.

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ReanimatedSGB · 22/03/2018 15:59

Do the quick registrar number and have the big wedding blessing on your significant date. Your vicar will almost certainly understand and be more than happy to oblige. But you will have the legal protection of being married.

FifiVoldemortsChavvyCousin · 22/03/2018 15:59

You can have a church wedding with just you and your parents as witnesses. A bit more expensive than a registry but same principle.

Then as pp said

In 4 years or whatever you can have a big wedding exactly the same as any other, the difference being that you won’t sign the register. You can even invite people to ‘celebrate the marriage of Jane and Bob’ with normal invitations.

Chickoletta · 22/03/2018 16:00

I know that this will be seen as VERY bad advice my many people, but rather than saving for 2 years for a wedding, why not buy the wedding with a low cost credit card (Tesco do 0% for 2 years) then pay a set amount into paying it off each month rather than putting the same amount into savings. I know that lots of people hate the idea of debt credit can be very useful as long as you're disciplines about paying it off.

Like you, I wouldn't have wanted children before marriage for religious reasons.

I would also advise you to compromise on the wedding day. Your local church won't charge you much then just do whatever you can afford afterwards. One special day is really not worth putting off having a family for.

DameSylvieKrin · 22/03/2018 16:00

Have your TSH and AMH and your partner's sperm tested to see how long you can leave TTC for, or whether you would be better off putting your money in an IVF fund.

Woollysheepsheep · 22/03/2018 16:00

You've answered your own question.

You don't just want to get married you want a fancy wedding.

Having a baby is more important than sticking to your beliefs.

The sky won't fall in if you get pregnant before you're married.

TheSnowFairy · 22/03/2018 16:01

Having children is like dropping a bomb into a relationship...get married first.

ScattyCharly · 22/03/2018 16:01

You could just ask the Vicar to marry you as part of a family service. No need for a specific and grand wedding service and probably it’d cost nothing as it’d only be 10-15 mins on top of the ordinary service. You don’t need loads of people there. And you don’t need a reception. You could get cake and eat it outside the church. Costing nothing but the cake. Weddings are extremely overrated imo.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 16:01

@FifiVoldemortsChavvyCousin but that’s the problem, I also want our siblings and their partners and children. And aunts and uncles and cousins (who I see all the time and are friends not just family) and our close friends. I get that this isn’t important to other people but it is to me.

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Strax · 22/03/2018 16:02

I have a couple of friends who wanted to be married before children but who decided to ttc for timing reasons beforehand. They are both still unmarried 10+ years later. It's so much harder to organise It after babies - after you've had one, most people go on to have at least one more. Would you then put off the wedding until all baby making is done? My friends both did. By then, 5/6 years down the line and the oldest starts school, you have adjusted to (usually) a lower wage for part time work, and then justifying spending lots on one day gets harder and harder. Other things get in the way, nothing gets organised, and suddenly you are 10 years down the line.

Mookatron · 22/03/2018 16:02

I repeat: planning a wedding with two small children is a fucking nightmare

MammaH2018 · 22/03/2018 16:02

If you want to get married then get married. You could have a small wedding (the two of you plus parents) and go out for a meal now and then in time you can save up and have a party of you want to. The big party is really not the point of getting married so I wouldn’t be letting that be the big issue here

You may find that it takes you some time to fall pregnant. A year is not an unusual length of time - obviously it can happen sooner or later than this but don’t just assume you’ll fall pregnant within a few months of trying

The main thing here is - if you love each other and are financial and emotionally ready to have a child then it honestly doesn’t matter if your married or not. And anyway you can always get married if you are pregnant or when the little one is born!

Woollysheepsheep · 22/03/2018 16:03

If you ask me you've got your priorities wrong.

I'd scrap the 7k wedding and put that towards a house deposit.

God won't care whether you get married in a church or registry office.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 16:03

@Mookatron this might be the defining issue! Though I don’t think I’d be planning as much as some - no silly favours to leave on the table for example

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MinaPaws · 22/03/2018 16:04

Just get married soon in a register office and have a reception in a local pub where people pay for their own drinks and you provide the food. Or if you're sure of good weather, go for a picnic in a park or borrow the biggest home of a close friend or relative if yours isn't big enough. That won't cost £££. People want to see you happy, that's all. Legally, you're better off married before DC come along.

Ragwort · 22/03/2018 16:05

I guess it doesn't really matter what any of us think, personally I think that if you can't afford the sort of wedding you want, what makes you think you can afford it after having a child Confused. I would never, ever have considered having children without being married - but that it is my personal view (and I managed to conceive at 43 with no problem).

Do what's important to you and your DP. But like others have said, a wedding is only one day - for many of the guests it really isn't that special or exciting (just read the wedding threads on here Grin).

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 16:05

@Woollysheepsheep £7000 wouldn’t even make a drop in house deposit, prices are so high here. To buy the (small 3 bed terrace) house we currently rent we’d need a deposit of about £70,000.

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 16:07

@Ragwort it helps to have outsiders unvarnished opinions though. Debating with myself wasn’t getting me very far!

@MinaPaws I really do just want church service, picnic/bbq/piss up chill. But that really seems to be adding up when I’ve done the numbers in my head.

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Mookatron · 22/03/2018 16:08

That's what I thought. But people want you to think about things like cake knives/ frilly seat covers when you get married. You HAVE to think about it, there's no escape and they look weird at you if you say you don't care.

Any big shindig takes planning and planning a shindig with small children about is - a fucking nightmare! Grin

I'm just trying to save you from the experience I had!

Woollysheepsheep · 22/03/2018 16:10

Fair enough, there are plenty of places where 7k would go a good way towards a deposit. Having a secure home is important when having children. They'll be going to school, making friends etc.

It sounds like you'll never be able to afford to buy where you are?

All the same, if I had very little money and was planning children I wouldn't be wasting 7k on a big party.