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To consider going against my own strongly held beliefs about getting married before having children

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 14:51

Have name changed as I’m usually woefully sloppy with giving out identifying details about myself, and am a known MNetter in real life, so thought I’d make an attempt at privacy for this. Sorry in advance but this will likely be long.

I have always felt very strongly that I wanted to be married before having children. No judgment on whatever anyone else chooses to do, and I know often the decision is taken out of people’s hands anyway, but I’ve alays felt I wanted to be absolutely committed to someone before deciding to bring a child into the world with them on purpose. Plus the legal protection of marriage plays into my reasoning in no small part. I’ve been 100% sure I will get married before trying for kids for as long as I could possibly have been thinking about such things, it’s never been in doubt for me (and actually I’d have considered it a deal breaker if a partner hadn’t agreed to it)

I am 30, DP is 28 and we’ve been together for 6 years. We are very settled and happy together, he’s a fantastic partner and my best friend. We’ve decided we want to get married, and have been talking about when to have children. We’ve been talking about it for a couple of years actually, but turning 30 ramped it up for me.

We were looking at getting married next year, but even trying to do a wedding on the cheap (big stately home do’s are not us) it was still getting expensive very quickly. We are lucky to have lots of friends and family we really love and would want to share the day with. I tried to cut our potential invite list down to the absolute bare minimum and still couldn’t get it below 70, not including kids. This is a lovely problem to have but it does add up the costs even just in food and drink. I considered briefly eloping or doing it just with immediate family and best friends (which would still take us beyond....30 or 40 people at least!) but I just couldn’t do it, I want the people I love there. So we’ve decided to marry instead in 2020, on a date that’s significant to us and I think worth waiting for, and enables us to save for the wedding we want. I am happy with this decision after a couple of months of worrying how to make it all work, and the pressure of figuring out how to sort it in that time has just gone. But of course this pushes back TTC by at least a year if not more, date is about 2.5 years from now.

So now I’m thinking, why don’t we just try for a baby now? There seem lots of very good reasons to just go for it, and try to have a baby before the wedding. But I’m really going back and forth on myself. DP knows how I’ve always felt about being married first and had agreed with what made me happy, but he doesn’t feel so strongly about it so wants me to be sure of my feelings.

My good reasons include:

  • I know 30 isn’t old, and I’ve no reason to doubt my fertility, but I’m conscious that having your kids younger is generally better for health reasons. I also recently had some cervical cell changes discovered at a smear (it’s fine for now but they’re being monitored as early stage at risk) and the thought that I could put off and put off trying, and then have the choice taken away from me by something like cancer feels me with such deep dread.
  • DP has a medical condition which could impact sperm motility. It’s not for sure, and potentially a low risk, but should it be the case it could take us longer to conceive and I think we should consider that. At the moment time and age are on our side.
  • Our relationship is wonderful and solid. I know I have a true partner in DP, he won’t be ‘babysitting’ his own kids, and he doesn’t ‘help me with the house’, he does his perfect fair share of our life together (if not more at times). He is fair and patient. I can completely rely on him. Marriage would solidify that legally but I don’t have any fears about him leaving or his skills as a parent. He is already a wonderful uncle, in fact he’s probably more child friendly than I am, and ‘Dad’ to our cats. I know he will care for and support me and any children amazingly, whether we’re already married or not.
  • My DDad died very suddenly, young, recently. Both my grandfathers also died young, I didn’t know them. It has brought mine and my other loved ones mortality into focus (unsurprisingly) and I want to make sure my kids know my DM and DPs wonderful parents, who are all already brilliant and involved GPs, and have them around in all our lives for as long as possible. DM is on heart medication and hopefully will live another 30 years, but her DM died when she was 33, and I know she’s always felt her absence in hers and is children’s lives. The longer we wait the less potential time I see.
  • I am close to my siblings and cousins and want my DCs to have that opportunity too. Our sibling’s children are already appearing and I’d love them all to be close in age.
  • We live amongst a great support network of friends and family we can rely on, emotionally and physically. We are very lucky in this regard.
  • Financially we are just about fine. Could always be better of course, but DP is on an upwards trajectory and even as we are now living costs including childcare would be fine. We don’t own our house, but we live near London and prices are nuts. If we waited to own we could be waiting a long time!

So yes, many ticks in the yes box! But what about some cons?

  • We have some debt. Not crazy but needs dealing with, any decision to TTC would have to be accompanied by heavy duty knuckling down to saving and debt repayment, but I think knowing why we were working hard to do that quickly would make it easier.

But number one negative - I fear I will always judge myself for not waiting, for going against my own beliefs that I’ve always held so highly. I’m not worried about anyone else’s thoughts, I don’t think it would bother anyone else at all which way round we did it, but it might well bother me, and I’d hate to have that niggling regret in the back of my mind - I guess that I didn’t meet my own standards for want of a better term.

But I’m conscious that anything can always happen, we can’t plan life to a tee and sometimes maybe we just need to go for it? I am a worrier and do always feel like I need to be in control of ‘the plan’ but recent events have shown me sometimes you really can’t plan.

Fully prepared to be told I’m being utterly ridiculous, but after rolling this around in my head gettings nowhere for a few weeks I thought I’d present it to the wonders of MN and see what you all thought.

So, if you made it this far, thanks! Would be grateful for any advice.

OP posts:
BennyTheBall · 22/03/2018 15:25

Get married quietly in a register office and celebrate in the way you'd planned in a couple of years.

It was important to us to do it in the 'right' order too.

KatharinaRosalie · 22/03/2018 15:26

Is your income likely to suffer due to maternity leave/staying home/going part time/otherwise taing the bigger share of the responsibility for home and children? If you're not married, that's entirely at your cost and risk.

mummymeister · 22/03/2018 15:27

Mrspuss - point taken. but at least as you were married there are some protections in place that wouldn't be had you not been.

if you don't have children then its hard to imagine how much they change your life, your view of what is really important but also just how much they cost. not just individually but the extra costs for things like larger hotel rooms, apartments on holiday, travel costs etc. Honestly if you cant afford a big wedding don't have one.

Penfold007 · 22/03/2018 15:28

Is it being married or having a wedding that is most important for you? The answer will vary from person to person. For DH and I it was the being married so we had a simple registry office wedding with our parents as witnesses then went to the pub. Perfect for us but not everybody's cup of tea.

shesakeeper · 22/03/2018 15:28

I got pregnant with my first at 32. Had him at 33. Will be 36, nearly, 37 when my second is born. You have time.

clarrylove · 22/03/2018 15:29

Legal ceremony now and big family party later maybe celebrating baby too?

Lovemusic33 · 22/03/2018 15:30

If you can’t afford it now then you probably won’t be able to afford it after having a baby either (babies cost money).

I had dd before I got married, my wedding was done on a budget. We only invited 30 people (no children), my wedding dress was a ex rental dress and cost me £100, I made my own wedding cake and my friend did the table decorations as a gift. After the wedding we had a buffet at a local pub and we didn’t have evening do (we went for a meal on our own). To me a big wedding was not important and I’m glad we didn’t spend a fortune, some people spend so much for just one special day.

Arapaima · 22/03/2018 15:31

Like you, I have strongly held beliefs about getting married before having a baby.

However, if I was engaged and actively planning a wedding in the way you are, then I would consider that to be 'close enough' and wouldn't beat myself up about starting to TTC now.

thiskittenbarks · 22/03/2018 15:32

I was the same re views on baby before marriage. Had been with DP for 6 years and owned a home together for 3 years, financially stable (but also very silly with money) - lots of talk of marriage but no "proposal" when I realised I was pregnant. The same week I found out my dad was very ill and might not be around for long. This made it seem "meant to be" (am aware that probably sounds ridiculous).
Sorry about your dad Thanks
I in no way regret having DS when we did (best decision ever in fact) - but if I could go back in time I probably would have pushed for a small cheap wedding before. Once you have a baby, money will be tighter and even if you have spare cash, the baby will be you priority over a wedding. Plus I wish we'd had a honeymoon before babies as it won't be the same care free trip now.
I'm sure you will be fine either way - good luck.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 22/03/2018 15:36

Register Office now with parents and siblings then TTC. Then party in 2019 if you want to.

Luxembourgmama · 22/03/2018 15:36

Go for the baby. I was married before I had a kid but having been previously divorced the whole idea of marriage had a bit less security about it second time around. THe only reason we didn't have kids before is that i didn't want to be possibly pregnant and not able to drink at my wedding and i loathe toddlers at weddings. You've no reason not to go for a kid and you might regret it if you don't. Our beliefs change as we grow up i rekcon.

Beetlejizz · 22/03/2018 15:37

The thing with that arapaima is that OPs strong beliefs about marriage are significantly related to the legal situation. With that in mind, being engaged and having a date not only isn't 'close enough', it's in fact absolutely fuck all. If OP wanted to get married first because of commitment, or a belief that God had to bless the union first, I'd see your point.

OP will your income will be reducing during maternity leave? Would you go back part time or full time? Is your financial position likely to improve in the near future? I'm a bit concerned about financial situation.

AtrociousCircumstance · 22/03/2018 15:38

Registry office on the quiet. Big party/renewal of vows whenever.

Protect yourself.

MarSeeAh · 22/03/2018 15:43

If you are going to be dependent on your partner should you have children, then get married at the registry office for the legal and financial protections that marriage provides. If you are financially independent of each other and will remain so, whether you have children or not, then you may as well wait until you can afford the party you want, with all your friends and family there.

MrsIcandothis · 22/03/2018 15:45

I would be inclined to clear the manageable debt, keep some savings and have a small wedding if I were in your position.

Babies/children/offspring/dependents call them what you like are expensive. I modelled the cost of having children to guide our decision/ affordability before we had DD. Even with the pool of resources about and speaking to friends and family, my high estimates bear zero resemblance to the true cost of having DD. Funny that friends and family thought I was mad when I first did the figures, I'm glad I was prepared.

I know things might seem complicated when you are emotionally invested, but try prioritise your wants/needs. Mine would be:

Security
Financial security - clear debts
Family security - wedding (however big or small) then TTC

HTH

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:45

Thanks for all the replies so far - on the ‘just grab your parents and go to a registry office’ that just wouldn’t be right for me/is. Getting married in a church is essential for me, that’s even more a non-negotiable than I thought the ‘no babies before marriage’ was! The marriage bit is far more important than the wedding day, but I do care about the wedding day and having that celebration. I don’t want a super expensive fancy thing, it’ll probably be church then back to DPs parents field for some sort of bbq and a piss up. But even like this the costs were mounting quickly (some sort of marquee/tent and toilet hire for example) we don’t need to save for 2.5 years to afford it, we could afford this in 6 months if we didn’t pay for anything else non essential, but the decision to put it off longer was to a) save for that, b) save for other stuff that might come up like a baby after c) pay down debt (a few thousand, all well managed on 0%) alongside each other. A longer term strategy if you will. Rather than ‘it will take us two years to save for this and only this’. I wouldn’t spend that much on one day! Also the particular date in 2020 is worth waiting for I feel. I can’t say why specifically because it would be outing. I’d rather wait a bit longer and do it with everyone than just pop down a registry office, I know that works for some people but not for me.

My work is reasonably flexible and there are a number of working mums in the team so I can see how it works in practice in the job, home work sometimes already, could drop to 4 day week doing the same job for same money. DP is about to get a pay rise which would enable him to cover all our costs and a bit more whilst I was on maternity leave, my pay would cover more than childcare by a long shot. I have several close friends who are childminders so know exactly what that would cost.

OP posts:
KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:50

@Beetlejizz commitment and God also play into it to be fair, but I’ve surprised myself with how committed we feel not married, and whilst getting married in a church in front of God matters to me, I don’t think God would mind which way round I did it as long as I was happy (clearly I’m not super religious or traditional or we wouldn’t already be living together)

OP posts:
Beetlejizz · 22/03/2018 15:51

You can have a religious blessing quickly and quietly, just as you can have a legal ceremony.

What will your income be on ML? If it's going to drop, you need a very clear discussion now about how much you'll be contributing. I see that DP will then earn enough to pay the bills, but you'll want to get it very clear that he's going to use said pay rise to do just that. This would also be true if you were going to be married but it's especially so not.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:52

@GabriellaMontez we don’t own our house (as mentioned in my OP) but I’m not really worried about that. We would have wills and life insurance if we chose to TTC

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Beetlejizz · 22/03/2018 15:52

Cross posted there...

That's kind of my point re the God stuff. You can have a religious wedding ceremony without being legally married, but you can't have the legalities. This is what I meant about how being engaged with a date set can be close enough in some respects, but is the absolute square root of fuck all in others.

wildduckhunt · 22/03/2018 15:52

There are worse problems to have. I'd get married before having a baby though because if money is putting you off now, it'll be bloody impossible once you have a kid to pay for too.

pigmcpigface · 22/03/2018 15:52

I'm so sorry to hear about your father. What an awful shock for you Flowers

One major consideration is that I think it will be doubly hard to save up for a wedding when you have kids! Can you not just get married very minimally indeed at the registry office, and then have a big party to celebrate in the evening? Pubs will do this very, very cheaply indeed - or you could get a caterer and do it at a village hall? My BIL did this recently, and the wedding looked amazing because every friend or member of the family pitched in with a job or task rather than a present. (We bought the fizz toast!) It was way nicer, actually, than many far more expensive stately home dos.

wildduckhunt · 22/03/2018 15:54

Also - wills and life insurance won't make your DP your NOK.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 15:54

@Beetlejizz our money is already pretty much family money, we share everything and have a joint account (though also seperate accounts) during our relationship income on both sides has fluctuated and we’ve supported each other more. I was a mature student almost completely reliant on him for a period so have no concerns about him doing a ‘this is my money not ours’ thing

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rubyroot · 22/03/2018 15:56

We decided after 17 years together to have a child, been together 20 now. Still not married and don't intend to.

I know of many people who got married and then divorced in a much much shorter amount of time.

Marriage does not resemble commitment in my view.

Do you need an expensive marriage, if you want children and have a little bit of debt wouldn't the money be spent on your child's future.

Could do a registry office and just organise a big party piss up afterwards?