AIBU to think some people should just grow up

[ithinksheisawuss]

Details changed and I’ve name changed to stop it being identifiable.

AIBU to think some people just need to grow up and get on with it at work?

I work in a busy fast paced environment. It’s a big office with two distinct areas. On one side are the sales people this is high stress and loud, on the other side is the support staff area which is much gentler. The support staff are mainly older women, the sales staff are a mixed bunch.

The sales side is very robust, lots of swearing and mickey taking. Some days people let off steam by shouting we all just laugh and get on with it, no one takes offence. When someone shouts we laugh at them then they laugh and the tension breaks. We need this release sometimes.

Anyway, one of the support ladies lady S was doing a job at the sales end of the office colleague A put the phone down and started to shout. Lady S asked a question of colleague A and colleague A shouted. She didn’t shout at lady S - she was just shouty iyswim.

Lady S has put in a formal complaint saying she has been bullied and colleague A was unprofessional. Colleague A often behaves like this it’s her passion that makes her good at her job.

If all the sales staff behaved in the quiet demure way the support staff do no sales would get made! But the whole support area is up in arms about poor lady S.

TBH I think lady S is a bit of a wuss but I am wondering if I am too harsh. Colleague A is really valuable to the business, lady S is easily replaceable.

Ithinksheisawuss

Yes ginger and that is why I said I would think about having a word with the team about keeping it down when the support staff are in the area. No one said “you are a cunt” to her though.

The “team” !! How old are you, actually?

Just to add, there is little point in trying to retake the mural high ground given your own proud description of your brattish behaviour. The “team’s” too, of course...

I quite like a row ginger I am self aware enough to know that.

You could always stop reading.

...moral high ground

If I admit the behaviour is wrong I am ‘proud’ of it if I don’t admit it is wrong I lack self awareness.

Call me a brat fine. How do you feel about people who belittle whole professions and say “ sales people are the lowest of the low” or is that ok because you think I am in sales and you think I am a bully.

But OP I'm enjoying our banter.and also the irony of you coming on to an anonymous forum to belittle and patronise a work colleague, and then protesting when the tables are turned!

Why would I stop reading?

Being a sales bod is not being in a profession. The very idea! 🤣

ginger I’m not protesting about me. Go and read the thread about is bullying black and white.

You think I am a bully. You tell me that and tell me why in clear and brutal terms. Fine.

You think I am a bully. You belittle me, patronise me (poppet), imply I am stupid (“the op won’t understand) and criticise the whole profession. Not fine

To be fair, you are doing a proper shit job of 'selling yourself' on this thread

OP you did an excellent job of belittling your admin colleagues online, you clearly feel they deserved it otherwise you wouldn't have done so, surely?

You're no stranger to being patronising either.

Profession
😂

You are not a lawyer.
You are not a banker.
You are not a doctor.
Etc.
Etc.

And neither is your or 'the team's' behaviour OP. I'm sure that's fairly clear now?

Some sales people reading this and some people who have commented about the professional, polite, respectful sales professionals they work with may find a comment like Roses upsetting.

It is a job for me not a profession.

Are you an estate agent op?

Cold calling and pressurising people and getting bonuses and driving a reppy’s car does not constitute “professional”.

Think about it.

Yes Reddog I did belittle it on line and I was heavily criticised for it. I have listened to that criticism.

My question now is because I did this and admitted it ( boasted?) is it ok to do the same to me because you think I deserve it. Is it ok to bully someone if you think they are a twat? Or if they are just a twat?

Anyway. It's been fun. But getting defensive because you don't like the way you e been treated on here because you posted a sneer thread belittling your work colleague is unlikely to win you many backers. So enjoy the rest of your evening x

Rosewhite I am doing a job, it’s not a profession to me.

Someone else reading this might consider themselves a sales professional, some posters gave examples of friends and colleagues who work very professionally in sales. Just because you think I behave badly is it ok to criticise other people who do a similar job.

What part of I have not behaved well is defensive.

What part of me asking if it is acceptable to bully ( me apparently) a bully is defensive.

Oh and you haven’t answered the question.

Sounds like your company needs Dale Carnegie training ? especially if its affecting sales/Productivity ?

the worst was in the 70,s and 80,s the managerial divide and Conquer ( the Management allows/encourages the staff to fight amongst themselves and or bullying to be tollerated)

The difference is that you posted a mocking thread about your colleague and you got a pasting for it. You posted on AIBU and you should have expected the response you got. But your colleague did nothing to merit having a mocking AIBU thread posted about her, apart from finally complain, probably after reaching the end of her tether.

OP, you sell double-glazing, don't you?

Yep I got a roasting and I’m fine with that. I’ve listened and admitted the team needs to change.

As I keep saying the comments about the incident are fine.

But in relation to another thread about bullying when does the bully become the bullied, no one will answer.

AIBU MN = Yes
Me - oh shit

That’s fine.

But slagging off the whole profession is not on. Calling someone a twat is not on. Making jokes about me being stupid feels like bullying. When I say this I am told it is ok to do this cos I am a horrible person, it’s on the internet, it’s not at work.

So when is bullying ok then?

If I leave the thread because I am going out will lots of people make snide comments about me leaving the thread. I only returned because posters kept asking where I was.