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Giving my ex an ultimatum about mother’s day

241 replies

marlinf · 12/03/2018 07:38

My ex and I have a two year old ds, but split up before he was born. Things were acrimonious for quite a while but we are on really good terms now which I’m so happy and relieved about for ds’s sake.

Ex has a girlfriend of less than a year. He and I arranged to have lunch together yesterday for mother’s day with ds (he would have seen him anyway that day, we sometimes spend time together, sometimes he spends time with ds on his own)

Apparently when ex told his gf we were having mother’s day lunch together she went mad and told him that if he went ahead she would break up with him. He went ahead anyway. She said it was inappropriate and that if anything she should have been invited too. I’ve never met her and from what ex has says in the past she is a bit jealous of me, so while I have no objection in theory to her coming along I feel like it would have been awkward and detracted from the three of us having a relaxed time.

So now she has broken up with him and I’m wondering, was she BU or were we?

OP posts:
sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:44

I feel sorry for the little boy involved.
It will all end in tears

AlmostDoneWithThis · 12/03/2018 09:44

Redandsilver You're the one sounding unpleasant here.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 12/03/2018 09:44

Red at 8 months the person I was dating/ fucking wouldn’t have even met my kids or any of my family, chances are they wouldn’t know my full address. So yes they would be a casual fuck, now who knows if that may change but at that stage no way would they considered much more.
I’m not really a huge fan of the get serious quickly intwine families school of thought

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 12/03/2018 09:45

And FWIW my ex arranged gifts and a card from the DCs for Mothers' Day but wouldn't dream of coming along for a meal, because it's not his place on this particular occasion.

I was in a 5 year relationship with a man who started off by taking his ex and her mum out for lunch with their DCs on Mothers' Day, while I was out with my DCs on my own. (None of us, XH, DP or myself have a mum any more).

Once I pointed out to him that as my DP I would rather he spend MD with me and my DCs than with his ex, he agreed and couldn't quite believe that he'd been so insensitive the previous years to have not realised that he should have been with his partner on MD helping my DCs to make a fuss of me, and with his own DCs on Fathers' Day.

There was no need for him to spend either of those days with his ex, or me with mine, despite birthdays, Xmas etc all being up for grabs as 'family' days.

Wtfdoipick · 12/03/2018 09:45

She's the one who is clearly able to maintain a civilised relationship with her child's father. That's the epitome of mature and sensible to me.

Maybe, maybe not. It's not civilized if it's only happening because the ex has to do things ops way or she refuses to let him see the child.

FizzyGreenWater · 12/03/2018 09:45

Yup, agree with Mrs DV I'm afraid. So much so that I'm not at all surprised to see how your responses have evolved OP - from lovely calm measured 'I am a reasonable person' OP to snipy follow-ups when some posters get under your skin a bit.

Nobody thinks you want to get back with your ex. It's not that - and that's not what people mean by 'playing happy families'.

When you have children and split up, the biggest killer is that you can never 'have it all' again. Or, at least, the only way you kind of can is if you manage a situation like this - but, it's not real and it doesn't ever work for long. You can have a new, wonderful partner who loves your children and you can build a new family unit with someone you actually want to be with - but the flip side of that is that that's exactly what your ex should be doing too, and usually does.

So you move on and your own life is good, but at the same time you have to deal with your child being part of a new family unit which doesn't include you. Meeting a new woman who is the 'mother figure' in that family, just as your new partner is in the 'father' position. Eventually, new half-siblings you don't even know, new extended family and your child possibly calling people you've never met Granny and Grandad. Etc.

It's the way it has to be if everyone is to be happy, but it's fucking hard, and it's natural at this stage to be relieved if you see your ex not making those steps, and choosing to stay 'within' the old family group. Whether this particular occasion -lunch on Mother's Day - was unreasonable probably depends on how you view that occasion. The gf wasn't being unreasonable, and she may have come to her final conclusion based on a lot of other things about their relationship, so whatever - she's chosen to move on. But it's fair to say that she isn't wrong when she's looked at this and thought - but, this isn't about his child, it's about maintaining the idea of an intact family that he should be moving on from, and can't yet. He's not ready.

I can hear you jumping in to explain that no, it's good for your child to see you together blah blah and yes I agree with that. But I would say - as others have - that that should really be focused on HIM - times at soft play together, celebrating HIS birthday together, sharing enough everyday stuff at pickup/dropoff to make your child feel secure and that his parents like and respect one another. A grown-up meal together, for YOU, as it's Mother's Day, where your child is there but the focus is you? Slightly different. The GF has decided that's where her red line is - that's fine. She might be a totally unreasonable and demanding partner that he's well shot of. Or she just could be pretty perceptive and has made the decision that your ex is not ready to separate himself from his first 'family' yet.

People on here are perceptive too. Many of them have been through what you are going through. It is hard. But -

I hope that the circumstances of the end of this last relationship, and the decision my ex made bodes well for him choosing a secure woman for his next girlfriend

Nope, you're doing yourself no favours there. One thing you are not is secure over this. You're delighted and relieved that he chose 'you' and some of the more painful aspects of moving on are not yet happening. They will, though, so get ready.

AlmostDoneWithThis · 12/03/2018 09:46

you sound a LOT like the OP.

Hmm Grin How on EARTH do you deduce that from the few posts I've made on here? You know nothing about me.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 12/03/2018 09:46

the ex has to do things ops way or she refuses to let him see the child.

Classic MN 😂

Completely make something up, and run with it.

redandsilver · 12/03/2018 09:46

You are the one sounding unpleasant here redandsilver

er no I am not LOL. Grin

Nice try at deflecting though

sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:47

Maybe, maybe not. It's not civilized if it's only happening because the ex has to do things ops way or she refuses to let him see the child.

Totally agree , once ex puts his foot down it will all turn very nasty no good for any one involved Sad

ReanimatedSGB · 12/03/2018 09:48

Someone who you've been dating for 8 months is still in the casual boyfriend/girlfriend category. And casual boyfriends/girlfriends demanding to be prioritized over friends/family/DC is usually a warning signal to dump and move on.

There have been threads before where a previously happy and satisfactory situation involving XPs who co-parent and are on amicable terms with each other, and some of the extended family, has suddenly been screwed up by the arrival of some new partner who starts stamping his/her feet and demanding everyone change the patterns just to accomodate this new person, who has a hugely inflated idea of his/her own importance and the 'specialness' of the couple-relationship.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 12/03/2018 09:48

Sad faces deployed... shit got real.

Won't SOMEBODY think of the children?!

sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:49

FaithHopeCharityDesperation

I asked the op a number of times if it was a choice of contact at place x with her or no contact.

She did not answer me once, which gives the impression that it was all or nothing

redandsilver · 12/03/2018 09:49

Excellent post @fizzygreenwater

Especially THIS bit...

Nope, you're doing yourself no favours there. One thing you are not is secure over this. You're delighted and relieved that he chose 'you' and some of the more painful aspects of moving on are not yet happening. They will, though, so get ready.

As i said earlier, God help any partner of the OP's ex's.

Imagine meeting a man who has a kid with a nightmare, controlling, and toxic ex like this?

Fuck that.

And it's clear as day that the OP wants him back. That is why she did her best to ruin his relationship with his girlfriend.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 12/03/2018 09:50

*I asked the op a number of times if it was a choice of contact at place x with her or no contact.

She did not answer me once, which gives the impression that it was all or nothing*

'She did not answer once' gives one conclusion only:

That she did not answer.

sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:50

And yes I feel very sad for the child involved it is not right for any parent to pull shit like this

redandsilver · 12/03/2018 09:50

@Reanimated

We all know the girlfriend did not DEMAND anything.

The OP is making it up.

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 12/03/2018 09:50

And casual boyfriends/girlfriends demanding to be prioritized over friends/family/DC is usually a warning signal to dump and move on. After 8 months wanting to be prioritised over the EX is a signal that you respect yourself.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 12/03/2018 09:51

And yes I feel very sad for the child involved it is not right for any parent to pull shit like this

'Pull shit like this' being amicable co-parenting?! Confused

sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:51

Wink yes OK

Wtfdoipick · 12/03/2018 09:52

Completely make something up, and run with it. including selective quoting and misrepresentation. I was only pointing out that no it doesn't mean it's necessarily a mature way to behave

sunshineintheclouds · 12/03/2018 09:53

You don't refuse contact because you can't be present.

Very good amicable co-parenting

MiniEggMeister · 12/03/2018 09:53

Not in this situation Almostdone. Both people have partners. If it's all about encouraging/developing good relationships etc etc why aren't they all celebrating together and showing dc they can ALL get along. Mum being smug about the gf being dumped is rather sad itself.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 12/03/2018 09:53

You don't refuse contact because you can't be present.

I must have missed where the OP said she does this.

Can you point me to it?

snewsname · 12/03/2018 09:54

You've moved on from your ex relationship. Perhaps the gf perceived the ex hasn't properly? Could this be actually true? Could it be that he says he's over you but is secretly hoping to get back together?

It's great that you can put your ds first and it's great that you get on whatever your ex's feelings. That shouldn't change.

Whether the gf is right or wrong to have finished the relationship is dependent on whether he's properly invested in her or not. Whether her perception is right or wrong. Whether it's jealousy or real concern. But that's between the two of them and not your problem. You don't need to change your actions or feel guilty.