Tight friends taking my tip to cover their meal costs

[alid117]

Just been out for a meal with group of friends & some of their friends for a shared birthday. Lovely evening all agreed at start just to pay for what we have to eat and drink as some driving and some not - quite organised. Four out of the 14 of us worked out our share plus £5 tip added on each (great service from staff) then pasted on the receipt down to next lot. At the end heard one of the girls go to the waiter ‘sorry it’s not a huge tip’ and when asked how much had they left was told just £6!!! WTF!!! I was literally gagged by friend who didn’t want a scene...CF alert!

In our society it has evolved that when you eat out you tip the waiter.

KERALA1 No, it really hasn’t. There is no onus to tip. Sure, do it if you want, your choice, but it is not a social requirement.

We also live in a civilised country where tips are considered a nice thing to do to acknowledge the level of service you received.

PyongyangKipperbang It’s also nice to say hello, goodbye, please and thank you to acknowledge even the simplest of gestures, yet so many fail to do it.

And why do you keep asking people if they tip in fast food joints when they dont offfer table service and wouldnt be allowed to keep tips either way?!

I’ve repeatedly explained why, but here we go again: because people don’t not tip on the understanding fast food workers can’t keep them, because that isn’t common knowledge, and also yes all McDonalds EOTF restaurants offer table service and all McDonalds are switching to EOTF.

If you dont like the fact that no one tips you then work in a hotel or restaurant.

I don’t want to be tipped; I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t agree with tipping anyone. And no, I won’t be changing jobs because I absolutely love my job; every day is different, it’s fun and exciting, I have great managers and great crew and it’s a lovely environment to work in.

your colleagues would be happy to receive your share of the tips if you were to refuse them

I would not give any tips to colleagues, I would give them to our charity.

RE the table service comments...xpost and to my knowledge BK, KFC etc dont and are not planning on offering table service, and you didnt mention McD's specifically.

I know. Will they be able to accept tips?

PyongyangKipperbang Nope, but again it’s irrelevant to this discussion. See many previous posts for an explanation if you need it yet again.

I would not give any tips to colleagues, I would give them to our charity.

Yeah..ok

you do seem rather invested in not tipping or in other words - tight.

Again, not tight - just different to you. Those who don't tip IN THE UK are not obliged to and it isn't expected but obviously they wouldn't say no if someone wanted to play Lord Bountiful with their money and give them a monetary pat on the head for being a clever boy or girl that goes "above and beyond doing their job".

Why dont you tip in Tesco? Have you ever offered? If not, why not?

Not tipping is embarrassing. It's not playing lady bountiful . Rant and justify away - you're not changing my mind.

Yeah I've got to say I'm on board with the not tipping thing.

In the States I tip in line with local custom a minimum of 20%, large group meals out I would typically tip as it can be hard work dealing with large groups.

But when I go out with my DH and literally am handed a menu, have my order taken and a plate carried to me I actually wouldn't tip unless the server/wait staff went "above and beyond". The typical level of service received doesn't warrant a tip in my experience.
If I had a server/wait staff who was particularly helpful or came to do a refill or was very attentive or helpful then I'd probably tip. But it's certainly not a given in my view.

However I would never discourage anyone from leaving a tip if they want to and would certainly never steal tip money- that's disgusting.

PyongyangKipperbang Believe what you will, but on the only occasion I have ever been tipped when I was working in retail a few years ago, I placed it in the charity box we have in front of the till (I double checked with the customer that he was okay with that first, though).

and you didnt mention McD's specifically.

Yes, I did, my exact words were Firstly, all EOTF McDonalds offer Table Service (and every McDonalds in the UK will be EOTF soon).

Why dont you tip in Tesco? Have you ever offered? If not, why not?

If you’re addressing that to me then I shall repeat once more that I don’t agree with tipping anyone.

Rant and justify away - you're not changing my mind.

KERALA1 But you think you’re changing anyone else’s?

Not tipping is embarrassing

To YOU. In the UK you really don't have to, even if your issues make you feel embarrassed.

Why dont you tip in Tesco? Have you ever offered? If not, why not?

When I worked for a supermarket you couldn't accept tips. You weren't allowed to have cash on your while working so accepting a tip would violate this. I would imagine most shops would have similar rules.

Actually most of your posts refer to a generic "fast food resauarant" not McD's.

FWIW the reason I dont tip at Tesco is because I would assume it wouldnt be allowed. Otherwise if someone went over and above for me, as they did when I was wheelchair bound, then I would have no problem with tipping them. No hypocrisy here :)

I don't like tipping, but these CFs deserved everything they got. Well done, OP.

Actually most of your posts refer to a generic "fast food resauarant" not McD's.

PyongyangKipperbang Sure, but the one where I specifically mention table service I also mention McDonalds in the same sentence.

"My issues" lol. I really don't give it much thought or hold particularly strong views (unlike you and the other poster obsessed with mac Donald's). I (and many others I would think) believe that when you go out for a sit down meal you tip the waiting staff. Not doing so in my eyes makes you appear tight and abit clueless about how to behave when eating out. I would never say anything but that's what I would think.

It’s the height of bad manners to not leave a tip when waited on in a restaurant. Of course it’s expected in the UK, I live in Scotland and I would rather not eat out if I wasn’t going to leave a tip.

Forget the rights and wrongs of tipping, these fuckers stole from the op. Scummy thing to do. Drop them.

By the way, carers are absolutely banned from accepting tips. It's embarrassing to have to refuse but we can be sacked for this.
Meanwhile, back to the thread.....

I think we can all agree that actually nicking the tip given by someone else is abit of a no no

I hate go by out in a large group for this reason. Went out recently there was over 20 of us. At the end of the night we were £20 short despite most of us saying we have put in more than our share for a tip.

We usually go to this great Italian who allow you all to go up separately and they will pick off the group bill every item including drinks from the bill and you pay your share. It always seems to work out fine therefore allowing people to pay their share then a tip if they so wish.

I (and many others I would think) believe that when you go out for a sit down meal you tip the waiting staff.

KERALA1 The reason I keep mentioning McDonalds is because you keep going on about tipping for a sit down meal, and all EOTF McDonalds offer table service and therefore a sit down meal. Do you consider it the “height of rudeness” not to tip them? If you don’t tip them do you think of yourself as “tight” or “clueless”?

By the way, carers are absolutely banned from accepting tips.

maggienolia Again, whether they can accept is irrelevant, because the majority of people aren’t aware of this and aren’t deliberately not tipping for that reason. If they were then fair enough, but they’re not.

Sorry to continue the derailment of the thread but running trays over to tables every few minutes is no way comparable to looking after 6-10 table sections continuously for 10 hours a day.

No matter how they change the offering, McDonald's customers will never expect you to regularly refill their drinks, remember who ordered what starter/main/dessert, remember the name of the little boy celebrating his birthday and bring out the right cake at the right time, regularly check what items are 86d on short notice, go to the pass to check when someone's food is ready, remember how long ago table 13 was sat so you take their order at the right time, know precisely when to drop bills so as not to keep people waiting if rush them etc. And to do this whilst also running glass and cutlery, bussing tables, sweeping the restaurant, checking toilet cleanliness, seating guests if you have no host, making drinks if you have no bartenders and the many other unseen tasks that make a restaurant run.

This is why people tip actual table service workers when they go "above and beyond". Whether you agree with it or not based on them already receiving NMW is up to you, but comparing scanning items on a till or bagging up meals to table service is just incorrect. There is a lot more scope for table service workers to go above and beyond (or get things massively wrong resulting in no tip anyway) than there is for those in counter service jobs.

I don't eat in mac Donald's so I have no view on that. Don't know what the acronyms mean either. I am a simple soul in this regard if I sit down in a restaurant and receive waiter service I tip, as does everyone else I have ever eaten out with. That's it really.

Unihorn Right, but fast food workers also have a thousand and one things to do at the same time as serve people whether that be counter collection or table service. I would say it’s much harder working in fast food than it isn’t being a waiter, and those who’ve joined us from waiting concur with that.

KERALA1 You don’t need to eat there to have a view or understand the acronym; it’s the same principle. You said if you go for a sit down meal you tip, so if you order table service at McDonalds and therefore have a sit down meal, would you tip?

Yes.