AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

Being told that I've got it wrong cause something wonderful is probably going on behind the scenes, or because "keep calm and carry on" is not doing it for me, frankly.
And no, the loss in business we're suffering is not just due to austerity. The countries we mostly deal with are actually doing really well at the moment, and benefit from the weak pound. We are getting very clear feedback that tourists have been massively put off by Brexit - the UK becoming isolationist, and frankly behaving idiotically, fears about racism, we're getting asked whether it's safe, etc. People are, more and more, avoiding the UK in favour of Ireland.

kerry, but he does have a history of making inflammatory statements which serve his own agenda.

yes he does, but again, often correct.

We have one year to sort all of this out.

Remind me how far we've got in the past year or so....

I thought it was all about AOCs? And all Airlines had secured what they needed, straight after the Referendum until March 2019, by which they'll know exactly what they need to do.

Do you think Football is going to come to a standstill? People don't care about the technicalities of business travel, but if one Footy game was threatened with cancellation, there would be riots. Air travel will be sorted out.

A few airlines have already said that there will be a price rise and space will be less. We knew immediately that it meant more wait time at Airports etc.

Martin Lewis will be soon telling us what we need to know, there'll be a whole program in it for him.

I'm sure a replacement for open skies, and a permanent solution for operation stack and customs at Dover can all be put in place.

Probably not by next March now that DafT have cocked up their planning application for a lorry park on the m20, but eventually.

We used to travel freely in Europe before ‘free movement’ ie people moving from poor countries to countries with a more generous welfare system. You just turned up and showed your passport - no big deal. Loads of people go to countries requiring visas every year - US, Aus etc it’s not a big issue unless you have a criminal record

I think it's quite telling that it's a cheapo airlins with the bossier 'nonfrills' restriction that is saying this, plus a holiday firm (which sells more than flights)

None of the other airlines are - because it's not actually likely to happen. But not possible to say at this stage that it's utterly and totally impossible. So they want to shift the commercial risk (small likelihood/high impact) now. So from their POV it became small/likelihoid/small impact.

Others will also follow suit if any reason emerges that this theoretical possibility becomes even remotely likely.

Yes, sytements like that will in itself erode confidence. Which is a pity, but will be transient as once the arrangements settle down there will be no real change.

Agree elton I remember when he was going to have stand up places on his aircraft, and charge people to use the loo, he is the king of 'any publicity is good publicity'

Perhaps he's forgotten to give his pilots holidays again, so he needs a few months of not flying to catch that up

We used to travel freely in Europe before ‘free movement’ ie people moving from poor countries to countries with a more generous welfare system. You just turned up and showed your passport - no big deal

Yeah but the world doesn't work like that anymore! Is this what people actually think? It's insane! You voted for Brexit because you thought you would time travel back to the 50's?

It needs to be sorted out by September or there will be cancellations. So if it's not in place by March even, the tourism industry will lose a year. And what will happen to the aviation industry? How much of it will return to the UK?

There's some glass half empty people on here for sure.

EasyJet have set up a European base so they can continue operating with in EU if there are delays to open skies.

Ba has the link with Iberia etc.

Airlines will probably reduce operations depending on the scope for flying from the U.K. I.e moving more staff to the subsidiaries in the EU.

Being told that I've got it wrong cause something wonderful is probably going on behind the scenes

Well yes, there are negotiations going on. Reaching deals are the whole point of negotiations.

And if the EU really is going to go all out to destroy the UK and leave us stranded and isolated - all the more reason for us not to want to belong to such a morally bankrupt and intransigent organisation.

fears about racism, we're getting asked whether it's safe, etc. People are, more and more, avoiding the UK in favour of Ireland.

Er, could you find any evidence to back up such hysterical statements?

Safety concerns are more to do with Islamic terrorism and Sadiq Khan’s complete inability to deal with violent crime in London than Brexit.

People book their holidays ahead. I've just had an inquiry about summer 2019. When they realise the risk of flights not going ahead, they will simply book elsewhere instead. Why wouldn't they?

yes he does, but again, often correct.

So how come this genius can’t write a holiday rota properly?

Bit of a dramatic title, I thought it was going to me some sort of terrorism type thread, with what’s going on in Salisbury

Clarissa I travel to the EU a lot and this is the first I've heard of it. Don't tell them!

Easiest way round this is not to go to Europe on holiday if you can help it. I'm sick to death of the EU and their dictating to the UK all the time. Holding us up to ransome and blackmail. IMHO.

Elton- I have evidence within my area of the tourism industry - not about to out myself for your sake.
What evidence do you have that anyone in government is addressing the issue of aviation? Or gives the tiniest toss about Britain's tourism industry?
To be fair, they've amply demonstrated that they don't give a toss about any other industry either. Just that tourism will be one of the worst affected.

I think the truth is Brexiteers aren’t that bothered what happens because they’ve got their country back and are presumably happy to be trapped here anyway.

This is from 2016 but still relevant (atw is air transport world so not making things up):
m.atwonline.com/blog/brexit-could-lead-doors-closing-open-skies
It's also even handed, but the message is yes, we should all be a bit worried, especially at the present moment when absolutely nothing appears to be being resolved and - at least in the UK - none of the chief drivers of negotiations really seem to understand the complexities we face.

There's some glass half empty people on here for sure

It's called a healthy appreciation of reality.

Well yes, there are negotiations going on. Reaching deals are the whole point of negotiations

Not the way Theresa May does them! Remind us, how have the negotiations gone about the NI border? Oh yeah....they haven't.

I live in a very touristy part of the uk and bookings are up threefold for this year and next plus last year was busier than ever.

Maybe gobshite O'Leary is worried when we come out he wont be allowed to fly in uk airspace