AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

frank fuck people who live in the North and for whom it takes hours to get to Schipol without flying then...

Not what I said or meant, but never mind.

Well you seem very resigned to it. Almost accepting.

What a bloody stupid statement. Pointing out a likely consequence is not ‘resigned’ or ‘accepting’ or ‘in favour’.

Violence has been held at bay these last 20 years due to the GFA. If the GFA is jeopardised because the politics have changed, then so too is the peace jeopardised.

The politics have changed because people voted in a way that made it clear they did not prioritise the GFA over other issues. That is their democratic right, but like all choices, votes have consequences.

To turn someone pointing that out into saying they are pro-IRA is bizarre.

I can see how people who weren't old enough when the GFA was signed can't understand how big it was and what a massive relief it was to know the campaigns over here were over.... but those who do remember not understanding why breaking it is a huge step is incomprehensible.

but those who do remember not understanding why breaking it is a huge step is incomprehensible.

I’d never set foot in Europe at the time and I was in my late teens. Even I get the impact.

But you seem more charitable than me!

This report describes the current UK aviation agreements with the EU -they cover 85% of UK flights.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/european-common-aviation-area-ecaa-brexit-explained

guess what people we are all leavers now!!

Errrr

Nope

long time lurker, long ago occasional writer and eu citizen

we are not going to travel around 29/3 as there is no procedure in place for settled status. yet. also highly doubtful the foreign office will have processed 3mio settled status applications by 29th next year. We don't want to take the risk of flights or trains being cancelled either. So that will be a UK Easter 2019 for us. (will miss the family in EU)

looking at private health insurance as we have little faith in Tory party taking care of NHS

have moved investments from pounds to euros and bracing for losing chunk of value on our house

will stock up on a couple of weeks essentials and foods from EU. I don't want to be caught out. And it's not like we will be throwing away stuff if all goes well regardless.

husband looking at how he can adjust his business to no passporting (works in fin services). might have to let off part of his employees, several already returning to EU anyway.

happy days

Just because we are all Leaving doesn't make me a Leave supporter.

Did people really not get the consequences of breaking the GFA? Did you really think it would be easy because some posh boy told you it would?

Threads like these are scary places. The credulousness and vacuity on display from leavers posting on here is mind-boggling.

Agree Figment Reading these threads it becomes clear that people genuinely do not grasp what they voted for. It seems people thought "leaving the EU" just meant not contributing financially (and possibly fewer forriners). Do they genuinely not grasp that they voted to leave the open skies and many, many other agreements besides? That if you benefit from something as part of a large group, you won't continue to have that benefit when you opt out of the large group?

It's like somebody who leaves Tesco to open their own corner shop but still expects suppliers to give them the same terms they give Tesco!! That's basically what Brexit is of course - opening a little corner shop right next door to a Tesco superstore. And then blaming Tesco because they won't look out for your best interests .

gussyfinknottle Wed 14-Mar-18 07:28:06
Math, I voted Remain. If Brexit stops me travelling internationally for a short time, I won't die from it. Assuming that only my Irish/EU [passport?] solves it, I will wait for that to drop on my doormat. If it doesn't solve it and I am "stuck", I will enjoy watching Leavers squirm

It has nothing to do with passports, Gussy. Your passport is not the problem here.

The problem is that planes can't fly to or from the UK without detailed international aviation agreements allowing it. The agreements cover items like pilot certification, safety regs for personnel and planes, and what airlines can fly into or out of any particular country, and much more.

At the moment, air traffic to the UK flies in and out subject to agreements the EU negotiated with other countries, because the EU acts as a bloc for the purposes of open skies agreements. When the UK leaves the EU it will need individual open skies agreements with all the countries planes could formerly fly to or from under the EU agreements.

Planes full of people or strawberries or Scotch or medicines - none can fly to or from the UK without open skies agreements, and not just with the EU.

There are 34 Open Skies signatories

No-one seems to have a clue. Our supply chains for factories and supermarkets are now based on a Just In Time basis. A driver can be expected to drive from Spain with a lorry load of strawberries for example and is given a 30 min check in slot at whatever Tesco etc. A hard brexit is going to END this. I don't think it is reasonable actually but its the way it works these days. We have to expect delays, less fresh foreign produce, higher prices. For factories this could be a death knell.

By I don't think it''s reasonable, I hasten to add that none of this is to do with the EU.

LOL Snork.
Do you have any idea how much EU money went to Wales, parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland, and deprived areas of the north of England?

You seem to focus your ire very squarely on Poland and Polish people. Any particular reason?

@mathanxiety don't forget large parts of Devon & Cornwall

Mind you my biggest laugh was reserved for the massive EU funding for the new Trago in Merthyr

Snork poorer areas of the EU included areas of the UK

Indeed it does, but we still receive vastly less back than we put in. How can you not realise this?

mathsanxiety yes I used Poland because my mother-in-law is in local government there and so I was pretty sure of the ballpark figures.

FWIW she agrees that although the money Poland have received has totally transformed the place, we should be getting out of the eu and wishes Poland would follow.

Why do you ask?

To answer your first question - because apparently there are no reliable accounts?

Second question - curiosity about the focus on Poland.

I am puzzled by your inability to understand how rising prosperity in different countries in the EU - Poland for example - can mean more and better markets for British goods and professional and financial services.

Poland's economy has grown almost unchecked for 27 years. It has doubled its GDP since 1990. In 2017 alone it grew at an estimated rate of somewhere between 4.9% and 5.2%. It's the 6th biggest European state, population-wise, and it is business friendly.
Yet you think the UK shouldn't have a part of that?

You would prefer to trade with African countries?

Just to end this very depressing thread - here is an inspiring Youtube video for everyone. Sort of on topic. Enjoy!

Brilliant Clarissa Thank you.

Great!