AIBU or are we all going to be trapped in the UK from next March?

[Clarissalarissa]

So, Ryanair and Thomas Cook are inserting clauses in their booking terms to say that if your flight abroad doesn't go ahead because of Brexit that's your problem. No doubt others will follow. If any deal is ever done, to allow planes to fly, it is bound to be a lot more expensive than it is now.

Is everyone planning many years of UK-only holidaying?

In your opinion kerry in your opinion...

yeah, I guess same for you though, right?

Of course flights will continue. But don’t expect the same deal. Has anyone been following the US flight negotiations? It attracts way less press attention, and so much for our special relationship

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/u-s-said-to-offer-u-k-worse-open-skies-deal-after-brexit
www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f97-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80

This bizarre hatred of and misrepresentation of the EU is something I find completely incomprehensible. An article of faith I suppose. You should try spending more time with fellow Europeans. All of the many I meet appear to be extremely happy about being in the EU. They often say so spontaneously, just because I'm British.

Actually visas did used to be required for some countries now in the European Union. Not a big deal for most people, but may present an issue for a minority.
I am far more worried about any impact of tourism to our country and its impact on businesses. There seems to be a lot of bad feeling in some countries towards Britain.

Yep kerry different people looking at things in a different way

Vive la difference!

ilovegin - I'd be interested to know where these bookings are coming from. I suspect your bookings for next year are coming from UK customers.

true, but there are actual facts regardless of your or my opinion on them!

Auto - what makes you think that flights will continue uninterrupted though? It seems unlikely from where we are at the moment.

They are planning for a scenario that could happen. It's just sensible forward planning (which all businesses will be doing that are affected by cross border sales - you just don't see it for most of them). It wouldn't be forever, but the airlines won't want to be shelling out compensation for customers if they can't get their planes off the ground, even for a matter of hours. If you don't do contingency planning, you shouldn't be running a business.

Ah, Clarissa. Don't you worry your pretty hysterical little head about it. It's fine: we're fine, especially the deeply, securely wealthy right sort of people.

And look, FREEDOM from those nasty EU people who took all your money, those bogeymen! Now do be a dear and go make us a nice pot of tea.

(Seriously, when I worked in the public sector, "be quiet and hope it goes away" was not far off the level of analysis which most problems received from higher-ups).

@Clarissalarissa because i think the govt will kowtow and agree to unfair terms just to keep the flights going. The other people know we are desperate. Look at what the US opening stance to negotiation is. We will agree and lose the rights we have currently as members of the EU.

Michael o’leary Is full of shit. Wouldn’t believe a word he says.

This is going to be like the millennium bug isn’t it? Until next March, there will be cries of “IT’S THE APOCALYPSE, WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIIIIIIE.” Then we’ll wake up in 2025 and realise people really needed to get a fucking grip. I swear some remainers forget that there is a world beyond and outwith the blessed EU. Not everything outside it is the US/Third World.

Tourism is flourishing this year because the pound is low. I don't see ordinary tourists needing a visa again, but I can't blame airlines and tour companies declining to be the insurers against political risk.

OP, an awful lot can fit on a ferry, and with DFDS for example they run 24/7 every two hours between Dunkirk and Dover.

There are also ferries between Plymouth and Santander and Plymouth and Roscoff, besides those running from Newcastle to the NL, and those running to Denmark.

YANBU. Time is running out for a deal, negotiations are at an impasse (according to no less an authority than Donald Tusk) and there's precious little sense of urgency or realism coming from our own government or its mouthpieces in the right wing press. Aviation is not remotely my specialist subject, but it's one of a whole load of things that will no longer automatically continue after a hard Brexit.

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86486
www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85068

@MelanieSmooter
A lot of people spent a lot of time dealing with the millennium big. The fact that it didn't cause chaos was for to taking necessary action to sort it out, in fact it's a great example of forward planning.

Just like serving the article 50 notice before having the cabinet meeting to decide what the U.K. is going to ask for.

At the rate the Tory party, nothing will be negotiated before the UK will leave the EU. The Tories can't agree amongst themselves.

Of course, the usual idiots on MM will try to convince themselves otherwise by ignoring the reality.

It will take more than a year though to negotiate any kind of agreement. That's the problem.

It's the transition period where everyone is in limbo. Particularly since we have clowns negotiating for us.

So I reckon we still won't have left the EU by the proposed date.

The whole thing is a farce.

Of course we'll still be able to travel abroad. I'm more worried about the next budget announcement which is expected to confirm that those of us on low income plus councils will need to continue to struggle without much if any support. Yay government..

I see lots of irrational hysteria on this thread. Not from the OP though; from the we-hate-the-EU crowd.

OP has every right and reason to be concerned about the industry in which she works. Just saying ‘we managed before’ is stupid. Assuming a deal will be done is less stupid but life will be different (as the PM pointed out last week).

The expensive and pointless futility of the entire Brexit debacle is a total embarrassment to our beloved union.

MissBartlett A50 had to be triggered then as otherwise there would have been QMV on whether it could be accepted or not. That was our last opportunity to leave unilaterally.

scaryteacher - did you seriously just address me with the words: an awful lot can fit on a ferry?!!!!
So you reckon that customers who until now have flown from Madrid and Berlin and Rome to Edinburgh, will drive many hundreds of miles to the ferry in western France, spend many hours on the ferry, and then drive across the UK to Scotland. That's really helpful, thanks.

scaryteacher - that's total bollocks. You just made it up now.