To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

I admire your ability to crowbar trans stuff in to mothers day.

Well done

Interesting to see what happens on Fathers Day.

Yanbu.

Yabu

Mothering Sunday is about going to home to your ‘Mother church’

It’s nit a festival of motherhood, or parenting, or you or me or the cat.

It's not me that's crow-barred it in, araiwa.

It's Waitrose.

Our school encouraged people to think of anyone who has a mothering role. Irrespective of sex.

Damned useful if you have bereaved DC in the class.

Handmade cards have reflected non-standard 'mothering' for ages - as have TV ads. I don't see a reason to pick on a card manufacturer for following suit.

And The Sun doing a bit of crowbarring too.

AskBasil - yes, I think you have crowbarred it in, but starting the thread and assuming that sensitivity to non-standard parenting is a trans issue.

I think it's quite a nice thing to do if you want to give someone a card today but they're not technically your mother for whatever reason. DH2 loves his dad's second wife but she'll never replace his late mother and he'd love this. Nice halfway house between pretending someone is your mum and doing nothing at all.

Good grief, have a day off 🙄

It hasn't dropped the M word or anything like that. It's a pretty non controversial way to be inclusive and make some more money.

This is just attacking transgender people for the sake of it (and presumably just wanting your own 300 comment thread).

Why would this offend you in any way?

Is this similar to Christmas/Easter (any Christian festival) being cancelled/renamed due to those pesky Muslims?!

I am gender critical but I don't really believe this story and there are bigger fish to fry in my opinion.

... and I'd just add that it might be worth spending a moment of Mother's Day thinking about definitions of 'human'.

Women are not defective versions of human (patterned on men and men's experience).
Women do not have to struggle to achieve full humanity (patterned on men and men's experience).
Women's biology is not an embarrassment that we need to hide or overcome in order to be considered human.

Humans are those who are born of women.

(Such a TERFy thread. )

And yy @AskBasil about that fucking tantrum.

... and I'd just add that it might be worth spending a moment of Mother's Day thinking about definitions of 'human'.

Women are not defective versions of human (patterned on men and men's experience).
Women do not have to struggle to achieve full humanity (patterned on men and men's experience).
Women's biology is not an embarrassment that we need to hide or overcome in order to be considered human.

Humans are those who are born of women.

(Such a TERFy thread. )

And yy @AskBasil about that fucking tantrum.

If someone wants to send one of these cards to someone who is transgender then what's the issue? Especially as people on mumsnet ONLY have an issue with self ID and not transgender people in general...

Btw, you are unreasonable for reading a shit rag like The Sun.

I agree with posters above who don’t think this is an attempt to erase women but an attempt to offer an alternative for children who have someone in their life who plays a mothering role but is not technically their mother, for whatever reason. And sell more cards. They are a shop after all.

It's not crow-barring, by the way.

Mother's Day - if we take it seriously - really is a point when you should stop and think about what 'mother' really means.

We're invited/compelled/directed/beguiled into forgetting, ignoring, mis-recognising, and under-thinking the meaning of 'mother' for pretty much our entire existence.

Taking a minute to just think about it - on Mother's Day - isn't a big ask.

There have been “just like a mum to me...” style cards in shops for bloody years. Not everybody who performs the job of mum is actually a mum.

Stop politicising everything. It’s dull, tedious, and becoming more than a bit annoying.

It's lovely to acknowledge that there are people in my life that I want to appreciate for the role they play in my life on Mothers Day. Am happy that's there's no specific card for those relationships. Frankly it's hard to find Mami/ Mamgu/Nain cards and there's more of them around than trans* who have given birth. I.e. Mothers /women.

I would love it if there were more mother's day cards that weren't so stereotypically 'girly', which is what I thought this thread would be about.

I have no problem with 'Happy Mother's Day, Dad' cards, as it includes people who have had their Dad in that role. I don't see any reason to delete the 'Mother's Day' part though, I think that is going too far.

OK I admit, I have crow-barred it.

But I'll argue that IANBU to do so, because transactivsits crow-bar trans issues into any woman's issue that ever happens - menstruation, breastfeeding, pregnancy, etc.

So we're entitled to do a bit of crow-barring of our own.

In the week of International Women's Day, when a female trade unionist was physically attacked on a picket line to punish her for having attended a meeting where the GRA was dicussed and where Millwall Football Club cancelled a meeting because middle-aged mummies mustn't be allowed to meet and speak to each other, I think figurative crow-barring is probably in order.

thecat if you want to think about what mother’s day is, go back to the church where you were baptised. If you’re not doing that you’re missing the entire real point of the day.

Mother = woman. Not transwoman. Or man.

I wouldn't buy a "you day" card whatever the occasion and whoever the recipient - it's horrendously twee.