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To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

307 replies

AskBasil · 11/03/2018 10:06

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Hmm

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day. Smile

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Toomanytealights · 11/03/2018 12:02

I wouldn't Elendon,I'd be thrilled and I'd be thrilled for dp to get such a card if anything happened to me. It would mean he was being appreciated for filling a very hard role and there was positivity out of a very hard situation. I know children who have made homemade cards saying the very same thing in such a situation.

HomeTerf · 11/03/2018 12:02

If the prospective recipient would be offended by the greeting 'Happy Mother's Day' it could just be that there's no need to send a card at all. On Mother's Day.

Elendon · 11/03/2018 12:02

Then have a 'You day' in the calendar. Or there is always Father's Day.

Who said that raising children was part of Mother's Day?

ephemeralfairy · 11/03/2018 12:03

I don't see it as a 'trans thing', I see it more as a recognition that you might have somebody in your life that isn't biologically your mum but who you love just as much, or someone who has actually done a better job of parenting you.
I'd give that to my mum as she's so much more than just my mum: she's a person, she's her. I want to celebrate her 'her-ness' much more than her 'mum-ness'. And she'd agree with me!
I think it's a nice card.

Toomanytealights · 11/03/2018 12:06

Um raising children is Mother's Day.

If my mother hadn't had any input in raising me she wouldn't be getting a card. There is no point. Congratulations you pushed a baby out of a vagina card doesn't rate highly on my priority list. A birthday isn't what Mothers Day is about,it's about what comes after.

slithytove · 11/03/2018 12:06

I think it depends how the kids feel to be honest

If I were in the Jenner kids position, I wouldn’t feel happy giving Caitlin Jenner a happy mother’s day card. If I was matriarch Jenner (can’t remmeber her name) I’d be gutted that my role as mum was now claimed by Caitlin.

However if a child had a transgender parent who they had been raised to view as / call mum then why shouldn’t they get a mother’s day card.

Transgender can’t be a woman no, but why can’t they be a mum?

Many many single mums have been feted for being both mum and dad to their kids.

ButteredScone · 11/03/2018 12:06

YANBU, at all.

This is about biology and giving birth (or adopting) - women who do that are MOTHERS.

Do you need a ‘Happy You Day’? Fine, snowflake, pick any of the 365 days of the year. Oh, wait, you want the women’s one? What a surprise.

HomeTerf · 11/03/2018 12:06

ephemeral it is a trans thing in as much as it's a direct response to the demands of trans activists, as stated in the article.

Thehamsterspajamas · 11/03/2018 12:07

The family who live across our road are 2 dads and their son. I think it’s great that if this kid wants to go buy a card for today, he can find a nice one that doesn’t say Mum on it.

scaevola · 11/03/2018 12:07

I think 'You Day' cards sound jolly useful. They should be on the shelves year round, for use by those who want to use them, whatever the occasion might be.

Peachyking000 · 11/03/2018 12:08

*I would be angry if my children's father had died and I received a happy you card.

He had a father.*

Well having been in that position, I have always been delighted to receive acknowledgement, as I have been my DS’s only living parent for 10 years. Plus being able to make a card for me, meant that DS wasn’t the odd one out on Father’s Day, when they were making cards at school. No point making a card for someone who has been 6 feet under for the last decade

Bumbumtaloo · 11/03/2018 12:09

I’m actually glad someone linked the card, I’m going to get one for my dads wife for mother’s day - they are not in the UK and Mother’s Day is on a different day to here.

I was 21 when she married my dad, she hasn’t been like a mother to me, she is not my step-mother and personally I wouldn’t acknowledge her at all but my dad gets upset. For me this card is perfect!

onefootinthegrave · 11/03/2018 12:09

YABVVU for not making it clear that that was a link to the S*n

Justice for the 96

RoseWhiteTips · 11/03/2018 12:12

Congratulations you pushed a baby out of a vagina card doesn't rate highly on my priority list.

You are wrong. What you are attempting g to suggest is, in fact, the essential thing about being a biological female.
Spin the fact around in any way you like, it will not alter the reality.

You’re welcome.

Toomanytealights · 11/03/2018 12:12

The article written and concocted by The Sun,that quality publication.Grin

And those with the massive chips lap it up.

MothersDay is incredibly hard for many,this card makes it easier. If you'd seen kids crying because they didn't have anybody to make a card for you'd realise that. Kids in that situation will make cards saying exactly the same. It's lovely they can feel included and on a really tricky day go into a shop and do what every other kid is doing.

Toomanytealights · 11/03/2018 12:15

It has precious little to do with mothering though Rose.

My babies were made in a lab,artificially put in and artificially removed and fed. I simply accommodated them for 9 months. My mothering started the day they were extracted.

RoseWhiteTips · 11/03/2018 12:15

Mother’s Day is about biological mothers, adoptive mothers, biological grandmothers and biological great grandmothers.

There. I don’t think I’ve left anyone out.

HomeTerf · 11/03/2018 12:17

I have a lovely stepmother. I buy her a card, though always make sure it says a generic Happy Mother's Day, rather than To My Mum or Best Mum Ever or something. If I didn't want to specifically wish her happy Mother's Day, on Mother's Day, I'd just save my money.

Elendon · 11/03/2018 12:18

My mother did not have me home for the first six weeks of my life. I was born healthy but developed an infection. She has always said she felt a mother from the day she felt my little kicks inside her.

meditrina · 11/03/2018 12:21

"Mother’s Day is about biological mothers, adoptive mothers, biological grandmothers and biological great grandmothers.

"There. I don’t think I’ve left anyone out."

I'm afraid you have - the Mother Church, which is the origins of the British day (whhich is why it's times according to the ecclesiastical calendar)

And the general idea that it is about anyone who acts like a mother irrespective of circumstances. Schools are usually very good about that, as they like to show tact and compassion towards diverse family arrangements, especially if there are bereaved DC sitting in the middle of it all.

RoseWhiteTips · 11/03/2018 12:22

mother, n.1 (and int.)
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Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈmʌðə/, U.S. /ˈməðər/
Forms: OE medder (rare), OE meder (dative, occasionally genitive), OE moddor (rare... (Show More)
Frequency (in current use):

Origin: A word inherited from Germanic.
Etymology: Cognate with Old Frisian mōder (West Frisian moer ), Middle Dutch moeder , mōder ... (Show More)
I. Senses relating to human beings and animals.
1.
Thesaurus »

a. The female parent of a human being; a woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth; (also,inextended use) a woman who undertakes the responsibilities of a parent towards a child, esp. a stepmother
Mother is frequently preceded by a possessive (as ‘my mother’) or used as a form of address (where, except occasionally in poetic language, my is commonly omitted); it is also used without possessive (e.g., in quot. 1930) in the manner of a proper name (this usage was, in the middle of the 19th cent., regarded as unfashionable or vulgar, and later as colloquial).

As a form of address, mother now tends to be regarded as formal or archaic, while more colloquial equivalents, esp. mum n.2, mam n.1, and mom n., are preferred (see also mummy n.2, ma n.3, mama n.1, etc.).

birth mother, foster-mother, surrogate mother: see the first element.

Puffycat · 11/03/2018 12:23

Mother’s Day can be traced back to ancient Greeks and Romans who held festivals in honour of the mother goddesses Rhea and Cybele.
Father’s Day started in 1920 by Sonora Smart Dodd who’s father was a single parent who raised 6 children.

End of lecture 😄

Booboobooboo84 · 11/03/2018 12:24

For those who seem to have missed the point entirely- this card is year round on the shelf. They’ve just whacked it in the mother days sectionto give people a choice. Do you not like people having a choice?

RoseWhiteTips · 11/03/2018 12:24

The above is from the OED which is a pretty reliable source.

I ought to have included stepmothers in my previous post. Sorry.

Creatureofthenight · 11/03/2018 12:25

Apologies have not RTFT but YABU for linking to The Sun and not warning me - I assumed it was a link to Waitrose site.

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