To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

YABU

It is an "all" inclusive card so it could go to anyone who takes on that role of caring and nurturing irrespective of whether that person birthed them. My child has children in her class who lost their mother at a young age - maybe they would like to get a card for the person who has been doing everything their mother would have done had she been alive?

I think you are just being a goady fucker.

It's OK by me that fathers, mother figures etc. get mother's day card for those who asked. Gender neutral or not.

If it's ok that fathers get a Mother's Day card then why the title of the thread?

It's a lovely card.

You've been completely played by The Sun op.

It's not going to catch on, OP. Mother's day will remain, no one is going to start calling it 'guardian's day' or whatever it is TRA's want. The vast majority of cards sold for mother's day will have 'to Mum/mother' written on the front.
It's really up to waitrose if they see a space in the market for these cards. I suspect they won't sell many, but we will see.

Yes looking again it’s just a Mother’s Day card that says ‘happy you day’ as a sweet and twee sentiment. Could be given to anyone. As a mother and a woman I find it irritating being labelled as ‘mother’ constantly (those slogan tees are my worst nightmare) actually so I’d like that card.

The fake outrage threads are coming thick and fast daily aren’t they, I wonder what the motive could be?

You know, I think the card is really something we should just use as a springboard for a little consciousness-raising.

Today is really a good day for thinking about how potentially radicalising it is to become a mother - and for the potential empowerment of thinking (without limits) about what motherhood means.

I'm linking it again because it really is a good article, and I think women should take a minute out of the day to read it.

There's an ad on TV at the moment (national lottery?) with a guy saying how much he loves his mum and that he gets her mothers dayand father's day cards. Shock horror!

Doesn't Mother's day and Father's day simply reinforce the gender divide anyway?

I would have thought any feminist would want to reinforce the fact that both parents - or one parent - is perfectly capable of bringing a child up and that being a mother should be no different to being a father.

[runs]

As a mother and a woman I find it irritating being labelled as ‘mother’ constantly

Fucking hell. Really?

OK there really is no pleasing some people

There is a transsexual Mum in our local community, was a Dad, left marriage, had ‘gender re-assignment’ surgery and hormone treatment, the kids have 2 Mums, everyone is happy, no one is making ludicrous ‘activist’ claims.

But I am pretty sure she got a ‘mother’s day’ card.

A ‘You’ card is lovely for those people we feel have mothered us even if they are not actual Mums.

I suspect they'll stock and sell however many they need in order to cater for those without a mother who have somebody special to think off and thank on Mother's Day. Lots of people step in and take charge of mothering/ parenting when needed and lots of people like to think of such people on Mother's Day.

I agree Rumpled I don't like being defined as just a mother. I'd have been more than happy to get that card this year,quite touched actually.

I do quite a lot of looking after of my nieces and nephews when my sister needs me to. I'm childless. I'd quite like to receive a "to my aunt on mother's day", type card. Sadly it'll never happen because people just don't think of doing stuff like that. It's not like they're replacing actual mothers' day cards.

To me the problem with Waitrose is that it's a day when people buy cards for their mothers; whether the person they see as their mother is their mum, granny their dad or their horse, if you don't see them as your mother why buy a card for them on mothers' day?

I don't have a partner, can I have a 'me' card for Valentine's day please Waitrose so I can buy it for myself to make me feel included.

People wear the slogan like some kind of badge of honour. If you’re a woman with kids I something’s feel that’s all people see you as. I can’t be alone in thinking that. I’d hate anything with ‘best mum’ or barf when instagrammers or Facebook descriptions are ‘mummy to....blabla’. I can put up with a cheesy mother card once a year of course, but given a choice I might prefer a ‘happy you day’.

*sometimes.

I remember seeing a card that said 'you've been like a mother to me' on the front and I don't see this as being any different from that. There isn't really a common word for 'mother figure' or 'taken on the maternal role' but a lot of people do fall into that category, and why shouldn't people be able to buy a card that they feel is aporopiate for them?
And yes, it would be lovely to see this on Fathers day as well.

A ‘You’ card is lovely for those people we feel have mothered us even if they are not actual Mums

How does Mothering differ from Fathering?

Surely it's all Parenting?

The Sun is the issue, there is no need for this faux outrage. Lots of people don’t have a mum but would like to celebrate someone else who had fulfilled that role. Nothing to do with trans activists, merely acknowledging the reality of life for many. Good for Waitrose, shame on the Sun.

YABU for linking to the Sun, yak.
Also for using mother’s day as an excuse for another boring transphobic thread.
Happy you day cards could be for anyone who doesn’t fit your typical mother role; trans mothers yes but also grandparents and older siblings who care for children of deceased parents, single fathers who have played the role of both father and mother, anyone at all who plays a mothering role in your life. Get a grip OP, there’s more important things to get your knickers in a twist about.

So Rumpled doesn't that make you wonder why most dads don't feel defined by fatherhood the way you do by motherhood? Is that not a sad reflection of the way we're devalued as women?

So much projection.

Knowing that everyone who has ever been born, has been born of a woman, is not hatred. Pretending that means I don't think adoptive mothers are not mothers, or that I don't recognise that families are made up of all different types of carers, is presumptious and peculiar, so I can't really be arsed to engage with that.

If you want to attribute anything else to me on the basis that I know that everyone who has ever been born, has been gestated in a woman's body and either birthed or taken out of that female body abd that a woman is an adult female human, fill your boots.

Because it's mother's day and I've got lots of other things to do and there are lots of other things going on in RL and online, I probably won't respond any more unless I get time.

Thanks for all who engaged and amused.

Happy mother's day all.

Because it's mother's day and I've got lots of other things to do and there are lots of other things going on in RL and online, I probably won't respond any more unless I get time

So that;s a flounce?

OP: AIBU?

MN: Yes, you are...

OP: You're being presumptious, got to go...

Why are people not campaigning to have other days to recognise those that fulfill important roles but that aren't mothers/fathers then?

Why is fathers day going to stay for dads (the same way men are applauded for 'babysitting' their own kids) but mothers day to become inclusive of anyone we love?

Why can people who have this particular role, one that defines us and makes us less appealing to employers (whether we're bio mums or the main guardian of a child), often means we can't have the careers we want and a bunch of other stuff that means women are taken for granted as caring for children by default, have this one bloody day without it having to become inclusive of absolutely everyone in a child's life?