To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

So the issue is 'you' and not 'mother' so is it ok for a transwoman to be given a Mother's Day card? If so, why all the comments on the thread about needing to be a woman to give birth etc?

I wonder why people think mumsnet hates people who are transgender?

AskBasil you accept you don't have to give birth to be a mother so why not a card for the people this applies to?
Yes there are families in the world who are a little different to you. No need to start a hate filled thread on Mumsnet about it.

"Mother's Day - if we take it seriously - really is a point when you should stop and think about what 'mother' really means."

It means - in UK - that you have a day off and return to your 'mother church' and see whatever relatives still live in your family hometown or village.

"But to give birth you have to be a have to be a woman"

Yes, you have to be a fertile female. But that's not required for Mothering. Or are you saying that no-one who adopted their DC, or who is a step parent can ever be included?

(And 'Happy You Day' cards will probably be on the shelves year round - could be quite useful for a number of occasions, especially for those who live in more diverse communities)

I think these are nice. It’s good for people who are raised or looked after by someone who isn’t their mum (grand parent/foster carer etc) to be able to acknowledge their mothering role in their life, when they may not want to actually call them mum. Surly most transwomen are just happy to receive a traditional Mother’s Day card because they with themselves as mother rather than a father.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female

If you haven't given birth but still bring up a baby, are you a mum?

I think this is designed to be inclusive for transmen who have given birth to children but don't identify as women or Mothers.

Transwomen would be more than happy to receive a Mothers day card.

But of course this MUST be all about the transwomen/men because they're the only people that transition according to some.

"If you haven't given birth but still bring up a baby, are you a mum?"

Of course you are, but you won't make the intolerant see that.

Nerr I think the women's issue here boils down to whether Waitrose also sell You Day cards for Father's Day.

What is the difference between a mother and a father?

Not all mothers give birth. Nor are their eggs involved. Not all fathers use their sperm.

Is a mother simply a female who brings up a baby and a father a male who brings up a baby?

I think it’s nice to give whoever you feel like should get a card a card.

But why re-name the day? It’s like sending “Happy Spring Day” cards for Easter - a nice thing to do, but not linked to the day any more. The day you’re celebrating is Mothering Sunday (or Mothers’ Day), re-naming it makes it seem a bit pointless! You’re not celebrating the same thing any more.

Waitrose has expressly said that it won't be doing the same on Father's Day.
And transactivists want Mothers' Day to be changed to Guardian or Carer's Day? Again, they're not targeting Fathers' Day. or setting up a separate Guardian Day.
Anyhow, if they are women, surely they deem themselves to be mothers anyway?

I'm in the traditional Mothering Sunday camp. However, amongst the many adopter/kin-carer FB groups I'm on, these cards would be perfect particularly for foster children who maybe want to acknowledge their foster mum but struggle with buying them one that is very "motherly".

I always buy the happy you day card for birthdays. It’s sold year round. Don’t think the transgender community hadmuch to do with its invention. Unless one designed it I suppose. So yes op yabu

Waitrose has expressly said that it won't be doing the same on Father's Day.

Before I email them, what is the source for this please?

My politically correct son supports transgender issues and even he thinks that this is a load of bollocks.

Is it a joke? Early April fools day?

Dirtyblonde mothering Sunday is a Christian calendar event. It's disingenuous to pretend that that's what people mean outside a church context.

Mother's Day, like Father's Day, is a 20th century invention. Mother's Day is a largely commercially driven celebration of individual human mother figures just as Father's Day is a largely commercially driven celebration of human fathers figures.

Any other way would be hugely sexist of course - as only male parents would be celebrated in their own right, with female parents just tagged apologetically on to a church festival... That wouldn't be right would it?

There have been “you’ve been like a Mother to me” Mother’s Day cards around for a few years.

I can understand why people might not want to buy a “Mum you’re brilliant” card, but there are plenty of nice Mothering Sunday cards - celebrate the person in the context of the event, not just the person!

You could give them a “you’re brilliant”card on any day. Which arguably might mean more...

Wow what a horrible post.

Having had to deal with children without mothers on Mothers Day I think it's a superb idea and applauded Waitrose. There are lots of children and adults who were/ are being raised by men and women who aren't their mother. Not all mums like pink fluffy vomit inducing cards with darling mum written all over them.

I'd have been thrilled to get that card.

I’d be very interested if there is pressure put onto retailers to make Fathers Day ‘neutral’ and ‘inclusive’. If Mother’s Day is rejigged into Human Carer Day then we won’t need Father’s Day at all I suppose, so who’s going to get the lie in?

"Happy You Day" could be seen as quite pointed actually the subtext could be all sorts of things, negative as well as positive!

An all occasion card without text or with a general "Thank you for being there for me/ for all you do for me" and a hand written message might be better!

YABU for linking to the Sun without warning.

If Waitrose thought there was a market for them on Fathers Day then they'd sell them. They'll be doing market research before making these decisions. If enough ask for them they'll start selling them, if no one buys the ones for Mother's Day they won't bother again.

That link is to the fucking Scum 'news'paper YABU for that alone - thanks for that