To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

I wouldn't buy a "you day" card whatever the occasion and whoever the recipient - it's horrendously twee.

No one is asking you to, other people might want to though.

AskBasil - brilliant post. I particularly loved the "6,000-year tantrum".

LOL Annoneill, are you having a stressful mother's day?

The way it affects me, is that when people start saying that men can be mothers too, it erases female experience, history and biology.

Is that cunting whoreing understandable?

Oh annie- of course it fucking affects women. How can you not see it?

Choice language there. I wish MN would let it stand.

It must be awful to be so full of hate you begrudge a transgender mother a Happy You Day Card.

I hope they do - i like being called a cunting attention whore.

a) I'm not full of hate
b) I don't begrudge anyone a mother's day card
c) a person who has given birth to a child, however she identifies, is a woman. Because only women can give birth.

It's astonishing that that has become a controversial assertion.

Someone I follow on Twitter is a gay man who has adopted children with his husband. He posted that they received a Mother's Day card. The children are old enough to make that decision.

Is that ok by you that these children buy their dads a card even though they're not women?

AskBasil. I'm deep in though at whether the offensive bit is 'cunting' 'attention seeking' or 'whore'.

Personally
Cunting is ok if Annie means be-cunted cos that's accurate
Attention seeking is accurate cosbim happy to draw attention to this
Whore is inaccurate so it doesn't bother me.

The story says that this came about because of pressure from TRAs. So the trans angle is relevant.

Mothers day is for mothers. Sorry if that upsets some men.

It doesn't really bother me. Wouldn't a transwoman think of herself as a mother though?? If she is a woman?

A present for Mother's Day

For everyone on Mumsnet. Glosswitch's brilliant article on Mothers and Mothers' Bodies.

And she's a former Mumsnetter.

(Oh - and for the poster who somehow managed to read my positive valorisation of mothers as somehow embedded in a reactionary (male) religious discourse - baby, your head has been totally colonised. You can't even see the path to the way out of the male ideology, let alone start to walk that path. Please, do yourself a favour and spend some time today reading and encountering other views.)

Isn't a you day a birthday??

I hope they do the same for Father's Day. That will be the test if whether this is really about including grand and step parents and parental figures for children who have lost a parent.

nerrsnerr- I'm happy that that family feel included enough to celebrate Mothers Day.

If Happy Yiu day becomes a thing then I'm happy for you / me to celebrate that if you/ I like

AskBasil you don't have to give birth to be a mother.

I hope they do the same for Father's Day

Yes that will be interesting

But to give birth you have to be a woman.

Well I gave a male and a non mother a mother's day card today. I gave it to my dad. 1st year since his partner died and he has a 2yr old dd. He is doing 2 roles and I was glad I was able to find a card for him. He was very grateful and all teared up. I was just going to make one on moon pig, saved me the hassle!

Is that ok by you that these children buy their dads a card even though they're not women?

Yes absolutely. That's the bit I don't understand. Buy a mother's day card for the mother figure in your life if they are gay, trans, a man whatever. So why try and remove the term Mother?

Oh yeah that's true SomeRandomBird.

But everyone who has ever been born, has been born of woman.

Except Macduff, of course.

somerandom a transgender mother would be female to male?

If someone is called mother/ mum/ mam / mom by their children there surely wouldn't be an issue giving them a card with happy mother's day written on it? In that sense this You Day thing is confusing. It sounds more like a card you get for someone you want to acknowledge or who expects to be acknowledged but whom you very clearly do not see as your mother...

It's OK by me that fathers, mother figures etc. get mother's day card for those who asked. Gender neutral or not.

They were all born of women though.

Just sayin'

If someone is called mother/ mum/ mam / mom by their children there surely wouldn't be an issue giving them a card with happy mother's day written on it? In that sense this You Day thing is confusing. It sounds more like a card you get for someone you want to acknowledge or who expects to be acknowledged but whom you very clearly do not see as your mother...

Yes this

Seriously, you are going to be annoyed by this? I have no relationship with my mum and my dad is the one who has always been my 'mother' aswell, this is a lovely idea for people who want to appreciate fathers, stepmums, aunties, grandmothers or god forbidden a trans parent on mothers day rather than or as well as their bio mother.
It clearly doesnt apply to you so just ignore it, dont buy the card.