To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

Screaming, on its own it isn't a big thing. I do think, given what is going on with self ID, that it may be part of a wider picture in which women are expected to share, in ways that men will not be.
No one has said that families should not celebrate the mothering role taken on by relatives who are not biologically the mother, but to me Mother's day is about acknowledging female contributions to parenting, as Father's day is for celebrating men's contributions.

I don't think posters can say 'show me sources, but not from twitter'. A lot of people's very real opinions are expressed there - it is as valid a source as any newspaper.

If these cards remain on sale during father's day too, then great

It seems these cards have been on sale ALL THE TIME.

Last week, this week, next week.

For people who want to give a card to someone who cares for them.

Still, you fell for the Sun, Mail and Times generated outrage because it appealed to you and your confirmation bias about trans people. It told you what you wanted to hear and then spread the word.

Fake news?

A lot of people's very real opinions are expressed there - it is as valid a source as any newspape

Depends what the opinions are based on. If your opinion is that trans people are seeking to rename Mothers day but you have no evidence for that, then you might want to assess the validity of your opinion.

Question of opinion as to what constitutes a good newspaper. I do agree with you that the mail is shit. To be clear, I do not support their stance on gay parents.

I do agree with you that the mail is shit. To be clear, I do not support their stance on gay parents

Must be a mind fuck when they use the same article to have a go at trans people and gay parents.

Iwannasee you say it’s not about launching a public campaign? So how does is it a threat to anyone if a few extemists write silly things about renaming MD on the internet if you admit it’s not actually encroaching into RL? Twitter is not RL, I know that’s a hard concept for many people to comprehend nowadays. People write a lot of shit on the internet a lot of the time. I’d like to see a bit more acknowledgement of that on some of the debates on here. If a tree falls in a forest and there’s no one to hear it and all that.

Sorry Twitter is now a news source?? Have we not learnt about the problems of people thinking that by now and circulating completely made up BS to fit political agendas? This for me is by far a bigger worry than people discussing any trans issues.

I don't know if they want to rename it - to me it is about the sense of women generally being expected to budge up and share, in a way that men aren't generally expected to

I don't know if they want to rename it - to me it is about the sense of women generally being expected to budge up and share, in a way that men aren't generally expected to

So it hasn't happened, you don't know if it's going to happen, it might not even be a thing...but you're still worried about it?

It's exactly like Winterval, Cadbury's Easter eggs, National Trust etc..

Media generated outrage designed to appeal to people's sense of outrage and based on nothing.

All spread by social media.

New theory: lots of TRAs are actually Russian twitter bots designed to stir up fear and loathing and spread political agendas. Is this as ridiculous as it sounds?

Rumpled, look at self ID and then tell me that RL is not being encroached upon. It's part of a bigger picture, on it's own not necesarily a big deal, but if it is part of a sea change in what 'woman' or 'mother' means then yes, it becomes important.

I don't consider Twitter to be any more responsible for circulating bs than newspapers tbh. I have read total bollocks on both, as well as interesting and infotmative information.

YANBU, Mothers are female and fathers are male ...

Rumpled, look at self ID and then tell me that RL is not being encroached upon

This has nothing to do with the thread about so called TRAs demanding that Mother's day be renamed.

Like I said, kalapattar, look at the self ID legislation which is actually happening and is something to worry about. I am concerned about the direction we are heading and potential consequences for women.

Hope Fathers day is treated in the same way.

I do think, given what is going on with self ID, that it may be part of a wider picture in which women are expected to share, in ways that men will not be.

I'm not going to get into the self ID thing specifically, I think that kalapattar, has patiently and admirably explained that it's a red herring when it comes to cards that don't say 'mother' on them.

What I would like to know is what exactly are you bring asked to share by other people's family situations being capitalised on by Waitrose?

I am concerned about the direction we are heading and potential consequences for women

With due respect - that is a derail. This thread is about a so called vocal group of TRAs calling for Mother's day to be renamed. Something you've not shown is happening.

The card in the OP is still on sale today. And tomorrow. As it was last week.

Self ID is a different debate. I believe there are a few threads on MN about it.

Hope Fathers day is treated in the same way

The card was available last week, yesterday, today and I have no doubt it will be available on Father's day.

Because you can show someone you appreciate what they do for you everyday.

The thread wasn't about TRAs demanding it be renamed, it was about the expectation of women to be all inclusive, to share something that is for them alone and for mothering to not be seen as a solely female activity.

Must be a mind fuck when they use the same article to have a go at trans people and gay parents.

I don't think it is a mind fuck at all. Posters on this thread have been completely comfortable selling adoptive mothers, foster mothers and anyone else who hasn't actually given birth to the child they have reared down the river, gay people as collateral damage wouldn't make them flinch.

Iwannasee I do know there are issues with self ID and I see the frustrations on both ‘sides’ of the debate. But we must not fall into the classic trap here of worries and frustrations turning to pure bigotry and anger where people end up in some sort of parallel universe hurling abuse and misinformation over the internet. Its just not constructive for anyone.

The thread wasn't about TRAs demanding it be renamed, it was about the expectation of women to be all inclusive, to share something that is for them alone and for mothering to not be seen as a solely female activity

On what basis can you make that claim?
Who is demanding that expectation?

The OP was about a card that's available EVERYDAY.

Well I'm pretty clued up on self-ID legislation I reckon, and I'm not quaking in my boots at the thought of a "Happy YOU day" card.

But look, women have been shat on from a great height for a long time, I agree. But responsibility for that does not lie at the door of transpeople, TRA or otherwise. That is a scapegoat, and a more patent and all-consuming distraction you couldn't conjure if you tried.

It's the same bogey man that was made of immigration to explain the deprivation of Britain's neglected communities.

I haven't seen anyone selling gay or adoptive mothers etc down the river. All I've seen is people saying it's a celebration for those who mother children.

It will be interesting to see on Father's day if there are voices reminding men to remember and acknowledge the contributions of single mothers and all the women doing the job of fathers on a day that is for celebrating dads