To think Waitrose won't sell many gender neutral mother's day cards, because mothers are WOMEN?

[AskBasil]

We see your absurd virtue-signalling

Every single human being who has ever been born throughout the whole of history, has been born of woman. Not man, not non-binary, not super-latte-snowflake-aromantic: WOMAN.

I know some men feel really sad about this. I know that some of them had such sadz about it, that it led to a 6,000 year long tantrum, where they defined women as less human than them, defective men, immature versions of humans and enslaved us and categorised us as chattels and property. And now they are attempting to de-categorise us altogether, to pretend that as a category, we don't exist. We're just a feeling.

But they won't succeed, because everyone sane knows, that however you identify, whatever you feel about your body, if you've given birth to a child, you are a female. Because biology is real and "woman" is more than just a feeling in a man's head. Or dick.

Happy mother's day.

"I'll stick a goady thread up and then not respond at all but hope it gets 20 pages of replies so I can feel good about myself"

There are relevant concerns about the rights etc with transgender people. Allowing them to receive a Mother's day card is not one

You see flounce. I see explanation for absence .

You see hate filled. I see an absence of cunting attention seeking whoring. So the language clearly matters to some.

Well according to my local Tesco's (and the cards for sale) all woman should like pink, glitter, flowers, Teddy bears and should put up their feet to rest from their daily grind of servitude cos they are the best muvva in the world eve.

And we wonder why we still need active feminism?

I think it's nice as pp,s have pointed out not everyone has a mum , a close family member died suddenly three years ago leaving a 19 yr old daughter and two sons age 8 and 18 months the daughter is bringing up her two brothers this kind of card might be nice for her.

Albadross I think these things already exist. They say things like 'for you on father's day' of 'for someone special' or similar. It's not really a campaign, I'm sure shops and card manufacturers are already aware that some people have caring people in their lives that aren't their parents, though have tajen on some of those functions.

Not everyone who has the role of a mother is a woman! A mother can be anyone who cares for and nurtures another human being. Woman are no more special than men because some of them have given birth. That is a biological role. It doesn't make them a little lower than the angels! All people who care for others are special. To everyone out there who nurtures another human being, whoever you are, however you identify, you are a mother and I wish you a very happy mother's day!!

Ah, you've confused gestating a baby with being a mother, that will be the confusion.

Anyone worthy of a Waitrose card, is probably doing a bit more than gestating and hung around afterwards.

voiceofreason actually the word is related to the female parent. Obviously that doesn't have to be a biological parent, or even someone in the family.

@kalapattar

Did you actually read the thread and notice it wasnt a unanimous YABU? Or are you too keen to avoid actually having a proper discussion about the point the op was making?

Did you actually read the thread and notice it wasnt a unanimous YABU? Or are you too keen to avoid actually having a proper discussion about the point the op was making

It was pretty unanimoous.

Oh - and the only person who does not want to engage with the many points people have made is the OP.

Plenty of people have engaged with her points. She has decided not to engage back.

To me mother's day is a celebration of humanity. Humans would not exist if it wasn't for the fact that the only human who can give birth is female.

YANBU but I steer clear of AIBU or chat for most trans stuff now. Head to the feminism boards where people are actually clued up about this stuff.

See - I don't see what this has to do with trans people?

Unless it's to do with trans men?

Would a transwomen prefer a card saying 'To Mum'' or 'To you'?

What card should a transman get? And on what day? Mother's day? Father's day?

Gestating a baby is key though. Some mothers are forced to do this, others do it willingly and some decide to cut it short. Some women decide not to have children but they still have their mums or the memory of them.

Gestating a baby is key though

So a woman who adopts a baby is not a mum then?

@susanbunch

Quite right, it's best to stick to an echo chamber and not have anyone nasty challenge your.

Oh and yes YANBU.

Within a family whose father has transed to a woman, it would be highly inappropriate to celebrate mother's day by including them. Just no.

Having a foster mother or a valued aunt is not the same. There are cards that say 'you are like a mother to me' and that's appropriate.

I rarely read or comment on trans threads, but actually I like this idea. DS’s biological dad died when he was little. When they were making Father’s Day cards in primary school, he used to make me a card that said “Happy Day.” I can see how these Waitrose cards could be suitable for those families where perhaps there is a single dad, or a grandparent bringing up a child.

Oh the adoption card is being played I see.

The baby adopted was born of a woman. The woman adopting the baby recognises this.

Within a family whose father has transed to a woman, it would be highly inappropriate to celebrate mother's day by including them. Just no

Surely it's up to the person who gives the card to make that decision?

So a woman who adopts a baby is not a mum then?

No biology is key, even if that means dismissing the role of the woman who actually raises the child. Someone always has to die on a ideological cross.

I would be angry if my children's father had died and I received a happy you card.

He had a father.

Not everybody has a female raising them. Not everybody wants to thank a female on Mothers Day. Not everybody wants to thank their mother on Mothers Day. Getting a Mothers Day card isn't a right. People who don't have the idealistic set up have every right to celebrate "Mothers Day" if they wish and to buy a card. That card will make many people happy,the vast majority of Mothers couldn't give a stuff what the op thinks.

Adoption is relevant here, and trying to dismiss it as a 'card' wonMt wash.

You can be a mother without giving birth. It is as simple as that.

Failure to recognise that mothering is carried out by all sorts of people is a very narrow and rigid viewpoint.because mothering is what happens in during life. Not the biology of birth. No more than providing sperm makes someone a father.

I know someone who adopted a baby and she always felt that Mother's Day was a double bonus. To the woman who gave birth, because she was unable to, and to her being a mum to her beloved child.