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About other people’s children

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Curiousaboutchoices · 05/03/2018 11:57

I sometimes feel like I am the only ‘strict’ parent around. We are surrounded by lovely people but many are what I would describe as permissive parents. This goes from the very extreme ‘Jane is just experimenting with gravity ’ when 3 year old Jane was deliberately throwing breakable items down a set of stairs, to a milder version whereby people consistently let their kids speak rudely, interrupt, scream and shout if they are ignored or don’t get their own way. Behaviour such as taking toys off another child, ignoring instructions/requests, being rude are often laughed at. Lots don’t restrict tv, screens or gaming, let their kids eat loads of sweets and chocolate in between meals, let their kids get up and down from the table, go to bed when they like, or put their kids to bed and then do nothing when they get back up again. This all makes play dates and sleepovers incredibly hard when all this is acceptable behaviour at home but not in my house.

No one would think it acceptable for an adult to behave like this. If I was unable to go out for dinner without getting up and wandering around people would think I was a little odd. I’m not talking toddlers, I’m talking KS1 and 2. And it’s a lot of the visitors to my house, not a small minority.

I can hear people saying already ‘not your kids, not your business’, which is right, but what these parents create is kids who are incredibly hard work outside the home. When kids stay over or come to play they are unable to cope with an adult not responding to their whims immediately, find it odd that I tell them not to help themselves my food cupboards or go into my bedroom, don’t like being told they have to sit still at a table to eat and can’t get up and down, etc.

Is this a nationwide modern phenomenon now, that children can do what they like or am I just living in a weird bubble?

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george49 · 10/03/2018 11:24

Yes that's true. For the "hang on a minutes" it's either a "no, now" response for eg coming to eat dinner. For tidying up it might be a "ok three more minutes and then it has to be done". I find countdowns help a lot. Or, you can either do it now and I'll help or you do it later on your own.

zzzzz · 10/03/2018 13:12

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longestlurkerever · 10/03/2018 13:22

Yes I suppose that's what I mean though, we all do that. It doesn't always have the same impact. Just this morning I had a blazing row with my 6yo because an encounter just like the above about tidying her room escalated into total melodrama. Just imposing my will on her doesn't tend to work, it's much better to win her round. Her teachers all say the same, after a half term of battles each year. She's good as gold now, having decided her room is nicer tidy but flipping hell it was hard work to get there. Sometimes I just want to eat breakfast, you know? But I haven't given up, we plough on trying to teach them to make the right decisions. I'm hoping she will turn into one of the charming young people a pp referred to, eventually and in many ways she's lovely now - she certainly wouldn't hurt anyone or deliberately damage stuff. But in the meantime it'd be nice not to have people whose children respond differently crowing about how shit everyone else's parenting is. Dd2 a breeze in comparison, despite the tantrums.

Lemonnaise · 10/03/2018 14:45

Yeah, I'm a teacher in Ireland. This absolutely isn't true. Most primary classes will have someone with sn, and special schools are extremely hard to get into. Why do you think Resource Teachers exist?

It absolutely 100% is true, if you read all my posts you would have seen that I said "in my county, I don't know about other counties" Here, in my county, it's extremely easy to get into a SN school. There are 3 SN schools, 3 mainstream schools with SN units attached, plenty of spaces avaialble. Can I assume you live in Dublin and forget about life outside Dublin...there are other counties you know.

Lemonnaise · 10/03/2018 14:49

Surely it’s totally unreasonable to demand that people, of whatever age, always agree with you. I expect my children to be kind and polite but I don’t expect them to blindly agree with everything I say. They too are often complemented on their good manners so it can’t be a universal rule that children don’t voice opposing views

HAHAHA and yet you picked apart my posts, insisted that what I know is fact in indeed not true, claimed you know better than me what's going on inside my DCs classroom, hypocrite.

george49 · 10/03/2018 16:13

Exactly zzzzz

I wonder why some people find it so hard?

george49 · 10/03/2018 16:17

Sounds like that's as much as you can do lurking, just keep plugging away.

I suppose you have to consider the alternative, which is to give up and let a tantrumming six year old become a tantrumming 12 year old. It's not really an option I'd want to explore Grin.

I think for the melodramas you have to back of a bit, let the child calm down and then come at it another way. Easier said than done of course! I'm a LP and not having that breathing space to calm down definitely leads to some sub optimal parenting sometimes Blush

zzzzz · 10/03/2018 20:55

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Goldmandra · 11/03/2018 09:32

I think Lemonnaise is using attack as a form of defence. I was apparently a moaning minnie because I'm glad that my teacher friends are able to behave ethically and respect the confidentiality of their pupils Confused

She probably felt rather flattered that the teacher was having a good gossip with her and has now realised that this teacher is behaving unprofessionally and is probably sharing confidential information inappropriately elsewhere too. This means that Lemonnaise can no longer claim the status of 'extremely special and trustworthy person in whom it's fine to confide personal information about other people's children'.

Let's face it, Lemonnaise has posted this information on a public forum. Nobody is unoutable and it is entirely possible that another parent has recognised her and by doing so has discovered that concerns she has raised about their own child are being dismissed by this teacher.

RavenWings · 11/03/2018 11:21

It absolutely 100% is true, if you read all my posts you would have seen that I said "in my county, I don't know about other counties" Here, in my county, it's extremely easy to get into a SN school. There are 3 SN schools, 3 mainstream schools with SN units attached, plenty of spaces avaialble. Can I assume you live in Dublin and forget about life outside Dublin...there are other counties you know.

For every single sn? Dyslexia, dyspraxia, autism, downs syndrome, processing issues, visual/hearing impairments, emotional/behavioural issues?

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

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