to ask how MN users can be so stupid about Trans women?

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Why are trans women and men put into the same category? As if trans women are accepted by men. In a world where men are constantly try to look the most “manliest” do you honestly think that transwomen are accepted into this

I honestly think it's a vocal minority rather than the majority of mumsnet. I don't tend to comment on trans threads anymore because the few who hold these views won't hear it. I support trans rights in other ways, and try to counter the hate. History will judge people who push their transphobic views

History will judge those who sterilise gay or mentally-ill children. And those who open up women's refuges, and other spaces where we are vulnerable, so that literally anyone can have access to them.

OP not been back? What a surprise.

You're called TerfyMcTerface? Seriously? Get a life

Totally with you OP!

Well yes I WILL answer thanks!

I have never heard anyone, ever, refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding! Only here in this thread

I was horrified to learn that men with gender dysphoria keep their penis when they transition.
Keep your penis out of women only areas.

They have, London.

Ad hominem retort? The response of someone with no argument or facts, just insults.

Chestfeeding

So many ploppers...

I can’t grt past this from the opening comment..... “men Lowering themselves to dress as a woman”
Ffs really ???

Perhaps lm missing something but if I was a man and felt I was in fact a woman trapped, I’d shave off my facial hair, I’d want to present as a female.... without a beard.

If you don't think these things are said to women every day you're out of your tiny minds

Lovely, there'll be lots of proof then surely? Where have you been told that you must use these terms/accept those statements?

Lovely, there'll be lots of proof then surely?

When people SAY things to other people, unless they are being recorded there generally isn't proof. Your words read like the Stazi.

There are some important issues around this that deserve rational discussion. There are some people on here capable of discussing these issues rationally. But in all the threads I've seen they end up lost in a sea of frothing and responses that are really quite nasty, definitely full of hate.

daisy there is nobody in that link insisting we rename breastfeeding to chestfeeding! Lol

Only on mumsnet!

Where's the hate cushions? Examples please.

I agree that a transman will never be taken seriously by biological men, if you like. My issue is that women (biological women, but then I don't believe any other kind exist), are being asked to make room and space from transwomen. We are being asked to reclassify ourselves and our womanhood. We are apparently 'cis' women; this is just terminology that has come about to accommodate men who want to be women. Next stop is changing rooms, toilets, refuges and so forth. Men (biological men) aren't being asked to make the same compromises.

We are being asked to sympathise with men whom can't get pregnant or have children, many women struggle with infertility but IMVHO the world has gone crazy if I am being asked to sympathise with a transwoman that can't have children. She/He is NOT struggling with infertility. Turns out according to biology someone with a penis can't have children.

I have no issue with a man that wants to transition and just get on with their life. But I do take umbrage at the fact that it is biological women being expected to make all the compromises. As has been done historically in many areas of life and society.

in all the threads I've seen they end up lost in a sea of frothing and responses that are really quite nasty, definitely full of hate.

Please point out those threads and responses and I'll help you report them.

Wu if you are trying to advocate that no one can mention or bear witness something that hasn't happened to them personally, that seems a bit unreasonable to put it mildly and rather dramatic policing of other people?

You're called TerfyMcTerface? Seriously? Get a life

Seriously

A forum full of weird and wacky names and you pick on this one

Having said that i would put money on your name actually being Hannah and you are indeed a women in Glasgow...so maybe inventive isnt a strong point

Lovely, there'll be lots of proof then surely? Where have you been told that you must use these terms/accept those statements?

Social media.

many women struggle with infertility but IMVHO the world has gone crazy if I am being asked to sympathise with a transwoman that can't have children. She/He is NOT struggling with infertility.

It's such rage inducing Orwellian bullshit.

I don't tend to comment on trans threads anymore because the few who hold these views won't hear it.

Funny, that. People on trans threads normally beg people like yourself to stick around and have a proper debate.

You haven't gained the nickname 'ploppers' for nothing

Debate is vital. Please feel free to have your say. Yelling 'you're all bigots' and running off doesn't exactly give us much to work with. There are lots of clever, knowledgeable women on the trans threads who'd love to discuss this properly

This is of of many things which convince me that I am right to say that trans identifying men are still men and should be kept out of things which, for whatever reason, are for the female sex.

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