If you don’t see the issue with TW being classed as women please read this.

[bambambini]

Especially if you have daughters who play sports. Do we really want to have “woman” “girl” “female” totally redifined so that sny msle can say they are a woman? If yes- are you really ok with your daughters facing this now and in the future?

amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hannah-mouncey-visits-afl-house-after-failing-to-get-information-from-officials-20180202-h0swtp.html?__twitter_impression=true

[PositivelyPERF]

So why doesn’t she play matches against them MrsMcGarry?

[bambambini]

What? So you want women competing against Bolt and Federerer?

[PositivelyPERF]

No, but most of the violent monsters have a penis.

[PleaseDontGoadTheToad]

My dd is larger than a number of the boys in her year. Biological sex is not the only determinant of size

Size is not always an indicator of strength either.

Possession of a penis does not make a person a violent monster

Nobody said it did.

[PancakeInMaBelly]

Yes. I am happy with my future cis daughters living, playing and working alongside trans girls and women.

You plan to have daughters who are deemed to match the gender steriotypes associated with their sex?

Really?

My daughters are NOT Cis. Their girlhood has fuckall to do with percieved laydee-gender-ness thanks very much

[bambambini]

Mrsmcgarry

Even if your daughter was the best female rugby player in the Uk - would she be good enough for the male team?

[MrsMcGarry]

And you really aren't going to win this battle by calling women who disagree with you handmaidens or stupid

[PleaseDontGoadTheToad]

I am happy with my future cis daughters living, playing and working alongside trans girls and women.

This thread is not about living together and working together. It's about sport.

I realise that reading and critical thinking are not your strong points but do try and keep up.

[PositivelyPERF]

You haven’t answered my other question MrsMcGarry. Why doesn’t your daughter play on the boy’s team or against boys?

[bambambini]

Well if it fits...

[OkPedro]

What the F is cisgender 😭
Honestly, save me jebus from this shite

I was trying to explain to my 9 year old daughter that girl does not = pink
It's frustrating and then we have tools saying what defines a woman is pink, dresses and make up

[PleaseDontGoadTheToad]

@MrsMcGarry

That world rugby player welfare document I linked to above strongly recommends that people over 12 compete with their own sex unless in exceptional circumstances. They also say that nobody 15 or over should compete in mixed sex teams. Why do you think they say this?

[MrsMcGarry]

Oh to think that this used to be a place of intelligent debate...

she doesn't play on the boys team because our world is split by biological sex. That separatism has historically damaged women far more than men, and i refuse to be complicit in continuing it.

[PleaseDontGoadTheToad]

That separatism has historically damaged women far more than men, and i refuse to be complicit in continuing it.

You think that men and women being segregated for sport is damaging? Really now?

[PositivelyPERF]

Hang on to the seat of your pants OkPedro. If you’re new to Mumsnet and want to use critical thinking, then hang around or better still, get thee to the Feminist threads and discover that once you reach peak trans, there’s no going back to lala land.

[SquareDot]

@mcgarry, you do realise that post puberty - plus at least 15/16 years of age - the vast majority of boys are much more physically larger and stronger than girls. Both in muscle and bone?

I'm tall and athletic, and not even I measure up to my male counterparts. Naive is the word.

[PancakeInMaBelly]

Girls only sports have NOT historically been detrimental to women its the exact total oposite of that.

You have it so backwards that youre also inside out and sideways.

[PositivelyPERF]

Oh ffs I give up on MrMcGarry.

[MrsMcGarry]

I'm fully aware I won't change the minds of people who seem determined to perpetuate the battle of the sexes. but i will not allow a place that I've known for 15 years to become the sole territory of people who won't see past genitals and seem to want freedom for women to be whatever they want, but won't allow the same self determination to people born as men.

insult me all you want. mispronoun me all you want. you will not turn Mumsnet into Terf central.

[PositivelyPERF]

I think you’ll find there’s a lot of Telling Everyone Real Facts on Mumsnet McGarry, so that genie is never going back in the bottle.

[PancakeInMaBelly]

Nope.
Girls cannot be whatever they want if what fundamentally defines a girl is wearing dresses and lightening your voice and doing hair!

[OkPedro]

Thanks posperf
I've been lurking in feminism for quite awhile now
I've reached peak trans, I'd need to be dragged back kicking and screaming now!

[PancakeInMaBelly]

Oh and having laydee feels. We must not forget the layde feels.

[PleaseDontGoadTheToad]

So are we going to get an answer as to why world rugby are to strict about mixed sex teams?