If you don’t see the issue with TW being classed as women please read this.

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Especially if you have daughters who play sports. Do we really want to have “woman” “girl” “female” totally redifined so that sny msle can say they are a woman? If yes- are you really ok with your daughters facing this now and in the future?

amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hannah-mouncey-visits-afl-house-after-failing-to-get-information-from-officials-20180202-h0swtp.html?__twitter_impression=true

I already have one.

That's why I don't want its rights and freedoms to be curtailed because of the laydee feelz of some 6' dude with a beard who fancies himself in makeup and being called jane every other Monday morning. Or some 50 year old neck bearded basement dweller who realises he doesn't even need to pay for cam girls any more - he can watch women undressing in his local topshop for free, and even eat Doritos at the same time!

Nor do i want the lives of genuine transwomen who've spent years and painful surgery transitioning to be affected by the aforementioned fetishists and perverts who simply have to "identify" to get the same rights and treatment.

I’m bewildered that anyone thinks that because they ‘don’t give a fig about sport’ that this means sport doesn’t matter? The arrogance and ignorance is utterly breathtaking. I say that as someone with zero interest in sport myself - so what? What you actually don’t give a fig about, stompy, is women’s safety, health, interests and careers because you think that what a man wants is more important than any of those things. You aren’t progressive and liberal and caring, you are blinkered and regressive. The selfishness of your attitude regarding sports is overwhelming. I’m really disgusted by that comment.

That's the thing. It isn't about sport. It isn't about the statistically small number of TIMs who might be expected to have a minimal impact. That's a red herring.

This is about women. It's a huge issue, affecting 50% of the population, not a minority issue.

Abso-fucking-lutley pickle

Yes good point Captain, I too don't really give a flying fuck about sports, I can't even be bothered to watch the Olympics.

But it's not about me, or what interests me.

It's about women.

I give a shit about women.

Yup. Non-interest in sport is not a get-out clause. There are plenty of industries I’m not interested in; engineering or modelling for example, but would still support the rights of women who work in those industries.

Now the Mouncey story is starting to get publicity, I've seen comments on FB from Aussie friends who really can't believe it. They think that the AFL has gone mad, and can't see how this can be actually happening. I'm hoping that this is bringing them to peak trans (lots of people only get there when it affects an issue that they actually care about or are personally affected by, after all)

Though, whatever your thoughts on Mouncey, the BTL comment on this article is abhorrent. Especially that a man felt able to put it out under his own name and with his employment details visible. I'm trying to work out who to report it to (Coke Australia?)

Could post it on FB? I tried to message Coca Cola through their page, but it won't send right now.

I am also confused as to why MNHQ is allowing people to refer to Hannah as “him”.

It's not a question of being "allowed". No one can force another person to validate their own or someone else's "inner identity" it's nonsense. Identity is a negotiated position. Even young children understand this on some level. We say what we see and that rarely, If ever, lines up exactly with who a person feels they are within themselves.

To say I can't express that because it's "mean" comes dangerously close to thought control.

I can and will politely use a preferred pronoun if I'm asked respectfully and it doesn't do any harm, but don't tell me I have to because actually, I don't.

Maybe it's because MNHQ have quietly given up pretending they believe great big blokes like this one are actually laydeez?

This guy explains it much better than me

I can and will politely use a preferred pronoun if I'm asked respectfully and it doesn't do any harm, but don't tell me I have to because actually, I don't.

Same here. I have always done it to be polite - and never considered it a problem in the pre-transactivist era - but language affects people's perceptions which is why the transactivists want it so tightly controlled. This is a biological male who wants to compete in women's contact sport - calling Hannah a transgender woman misrepresents this reality.

And I will not refer to rapists with a penis as 'she' even though the press code is that they are referred to as women (and being transgender isn't even mentioned unless it is considered relevant to the story).

In this article, the victim refuses to refer to the man who abused him as 'she' but the paper respects the pronoun wishes of the abuser when describing the abuse, misrepresenting the reality of what the victim was subjected to:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-vile-bondage-paedophile-tells-8608834

No one can force another person to validate their own or someone else's "inner identity" it's nonsense.

Except Canada has. You can get fined. Interesting how the most right-on countries are the keenest to police people's thoughts.

Dear God Betti. What happened to that poor boy Casey, is horrendous.

I am sick to my stomach that the peodophile Gareth/Gina Owen has been LET OFF and SET FREE. By means of a loophole where the sexual offenders courses are all aimed and men (hmm why is that??), and Owen now pretends to be a woman so cannot attend - hmm convenient that sex segregation is allowed here (and sickeningly working in favour of a TIM)

But no, apparently all women who care about TRAs and self-ID etc are just over reacting.

I'd happily agree that Owen should be castrated, but not in a million years should he be allowed to call himslef a women and it is a further insult to all women if his crimes are recorded as being perpetrated by a woman.

Where is the justice for Casey? He could see this pervert walking about the streets! No custodial sentence at all - and even a community order might subject the poor TIM to abuse - he should be locked up.

But no, loud and clear here is a loophole for perverted men to commit dreadful crimes against children and get away with it by claiming to be a woman - it is sick.

I am FURIOUS about this and it needs its own thread.

In the Mail the abuser was recorded as saying

"'I am free - that is all there is to it. I was slaughtered by the press before all the facts were known and was treated appallingly.
'I am not going to say anymore as me and my family have been through enough.
'I am free and I have walked out of court - what does that tell you? The judge set me free.
'That's the end of it and I will now move on."

He showed no remorse but ALL the hallmarks of the trans magical thinking and victim top trumps mentality, and believing whatever they want to believe and that they are the most harmed. It is incredibly dangerous.

That case with Gareth/Gina Owen is exactly what people are concerned about.

A sexual preditor using loopholes to avoid punishment for crimes or as a way to exploit further victims, while insisting nobody is a bigger victim than them.

This is why it's too easy to dismiss concerns as 'transphobia' and why people need to stop with the "you're saying all trans people are perverts" when cases like this are happening and real victims are saying they have had no justice because of the current trend to protect abuses at the expense of their victims.

Nobody is saying "all trans people are perverts", that's just another silencer, but you can't deny this man is a pervert, and he's using loopholes surrounding trans self-ID to exploit the law.

And now this is being described as a woman's crime. A crime he commented as a man, with his male body, is being called a woman's crime and he's getting away with it because of that.

It's beyond disgusting that he's walked away from his crime while the poor boy he abused still has to live with the effects of it.

Absolutely. My heart goes out to that young man- really painful to read about his experiences 😔

An update for those following...

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-26/hannah-mouncey-transgender-athlete-aflw-ban-handball-champion/9801956

Gosh. No end to the narcissism.

Oh dear. What will be next on her list?

Seriously- how can ANYONE be that deluded?

Ffs!