Women working out of the home condem other women

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....to caring for their children. For low pay. (Albeit very expensive childcare for the end user? ie a working couple one of whose wages possibly only just covers childcare fees.... leaving them with effectively one income again)

This is the reality. The number of men caring for the children hasn’t gone up as the number of women working out of the home has.

In an ideal world, would there be an equal number of sahds to sahms? Or should we force more men into paid childcare jobs. I don’t know the statistics, but it seems men just don’t want to work in that area. So women bear the brunt again.

It all seems weird .

mrsreynolds

Yep.Pretty much my go to now for bullshit like this thread

Why are you so aggressive? Why is it bullshit? Just because another woman makes a different choice to you?

This thread was about annoying it is for SAHMs to be judgef and condemned by others. Thanks for confirming the stereotype.

LipstickHandbagCoffee
It is unwaged sahm who do not generate financial activity and rely on other women to doemonstrate employment to their kids. And sahm spend a salary they didn’t earn. Financially inactive,other than spending their dp money that is

So unless it is measurable in GDP terms - it doesn't matter?
By this arguement you should outsource absolutely every aspect of parenting.

Why not pay someone else to watch your children doing sports? Pay someone else to give them a bath at night. Pay someone else to put them in their pyjamas. Pay someone else to read to them.

It would all be economically measurable.

Um....
I'm a sahm!
Sooooo...
Right back atcha!

What exactly is your point?
im responding to op who thinks I’m subjugating other women by using childcare
I’m correctly arguing my childcare fees,generate revenue,create jobs.
Whereas being a sahm does none of the above

Op is recommending conscripting men into jobs women are currently undertaking. How is that equality?

And if I need to

• pay someone else to watch your children doing sports?
• Pay someone else to give them a bath at night.
• Pay someone else to put them in their pyjamas.
• Pay someone else to read to them...

I won’t have any qualms doing so

I couldn't give the tiniest toss how other people live their lives
I assume - like me - they make choices that are best for them and their families at the time (obviously that can and does change)
Whether that's sahp, both work ft, both work Pt, lone parent, carers....none of my business

Great - make every single aspect of parenthood into a commercial exchange. That's sounds wonderful

Oh I don't know lipstick...
I go out for lots of coffee
That's generating jobs isn't it?
😀

Without a doubt🙂

My sims key person at nursery was male. There were two male nursery nurses in the whole nursery. I didn't mind in the slightest, in fact I saw it as a positive. I wouldn't want them to be forced into a job.

Why are women condemning other women? I don't understand what you mean

What's so shit is that people complain about the cost of childcare as if it should be inexpensive. People seem happier to pay a higher hourly rate for cleaners. But when it comes to someone acting as a parent while they're at work, they don't seem to think it should significantly cut into their salary? Are the people providing childcare less entitled to a living wage?

I think op means working women outsource their own childcare to min wage women
And subjugate these women by forcing them into nmw jobs watching other folks dc
The op answer,is to force more men into paid childcare jobs
Thereby establishing ideological and practical equilibrium in the workplace

Op it's not other women condemning other women to have low wages, it's SOCIETY! Their employers should pay them more, I agree! But I don't condemn the child minder I use. She set her own fees without input from the parents who use her service. She calculated her costs out of that. I pay her what her going rate is. I hardly think she feels like I'm condemning her. How strange!!!!

Look at the structure of society and therein lies your answer

My male friends complain about childcare costs. Have a theory why the overwhelming census is that it shouldn't make such a dent on finances: not so long ago families lived closer together/people became grandparents relatively young and were able to mind their dgc. I think people are much more mindful of this now. I have 2 adult dd's but both (them and their partner) appreciate how expensive a child is.

I fibbed a bit
I work VERY pt so I consider myself a sahm (Although I do a fair bit of volunteering)
I work with kids with Sen
I earn nat min wage
It's society that undervalues caring and nurturing roles (nhs for example)
Childcare should cost a lot
Wish I knew what the answer was!
I'm pretty sure it isn't berating other women for their patenting and work choices though....

parenting
I don't think parents are patenting their kids yet! 😁

LipstickHandbagCoffee

• pay someone else to watch your children doing sports?
• Pay someone else to give them a bath at night.
• Pay someone else to put them in their pyjamas.
• Pay someone else to read to them...

I won’t have any qualms doing so...

Are there any aspects of parenting you wouldn't pay to outsource?

mrsreynolds

Oh I don't know lipstick...
I go out for lots of coffee
That's generating jobs isn't it

Do you and your partner / husband have sex?
You could easily outsource that to a professional.

That's generating jobs isn't it?

francine

This thread has gone a bit stupid now. I can see why people like Francine get defensive.

My mum was a sahm most of my childhood, but she (and my dad) both instilled in me the expectation I could have any career I wanted and fly as high as I wanted.

Never I think most parents would. We all want our kids to do better than we did

Why not pay someone else to watch your children doing sports? Pay someone else to give them a bath at night. Pay someone else to put them in their pyjamas. Pay someone else to read to them

By your logic Francine this is what your dh does- and to you.

This thread has indeed gone stupid. If you're happy with your life choices why try to take the moral high ground when there isn't one?

I have sahm and wohp parent friends. Both have their own struggles. My wohm moan the loudest as they feel they can't ask for help off their dp/dh because they work out of the home and my wohp friends are always having to dash here and there and ask favours.

It's hard for all parents ffs!

GreenSeededGrape
By your logic Francine this is what your dh does- and to you

Er no he doesn't. We're a family not a series of commercial transactions.

I am not taking any kind of moral high ground - just requesting others not to sneer, criticise or condescend to me .

Honestly you are coming across as very sneery actually. Like it's you who looks down on wohp.

I'm bowing out now, there is nothing else useful. I like my setup but maybe you should have a think about yours as you sound very defensive.

People defend when they feel attacked. I have never once been questioned or had eyebrows raised by a man when I say I don't WOH. Always women. What a surprise.

Because Francine men can’t relate and it’s just not the kind of discussion men are interested in.

None of my friends are or have ever been SAHP but I work with a number of men whose partners/former partners are. I think the running off with the secretary scenario is extreme but I know boredom has crept in for a few who say that their partner’s only real conversation is about the kids. It’s not hard to see that getting stimulating conversation in the workplace turns heads. I know of 3 relationships that ended with the men later forming new relationships with women in the same industry.