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Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Grrrrrsnarl · 02/02/2018 23:18

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 17:09

You guys take your time, pull yourselves together. I will be right here.

No demonstrations in favour of antisemitism happening today? No Jewish MPs to hound?

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 17:22

Even the most ardent capitalists recognise the need for a minimum of government controls.

Oh that's right. Too big to fail.

Dapplegrey · 07/02/2018 17:23

Make - I'm not sure if it's a joke or not, but are there really shifts of Makes policing threads on mumsnet in order to give Momentum's views?

Myrnafoy · 07/02/2018 17:30

Or maybe shifts of posters from Tory hq putting their views forward too lol
Goes both ways
Oh and rather than fixating on the inadequacies of a party that hasn't been in power for 8 years it might be worthwhile to scrutinise the activities of an currently inept government instead or is that too uncomfortable Grin

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 17:36

Oh and rather than fixating on the inadequacies of a party that hasn't been in power for 8 years it might be worthwhile to scrutinise the activities of an currently inept government instead or is that too uncomfortable

There are many many threads talking about the shit show that is the current government, its just people like Mak, do not really come up with any coherent argument against other than offer soundbites.

Once questions become a little too difficult he disappears.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/02/2018 17:37

Oh and rather than fixating on the inadequacies of a party that hasn't been in power for 8 years it might be worthwhile to scrutinise the activities of an currently inept government instead or is that too uncomfortable

That party wants to get into government. It should be souring in the polls. It isn't.

I was a member of that party as were many others but can no longer be because of its leadership and failing to deal with anti semitism.

Both parties have issues and if Labour don't sort themselves out they won't get into power.

Myrnafoy · 07/02/2018 18:10

I agree piglet. I voted labour in the last GE with a very heavy heart, solely because we have a decent MP and not because I necessarily think JC is priministerial material, far from it in fact.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 18:18

It's interesting make that as our resident Momentumite, you never disavow antisemitism, you just ignore it when it's raised. Much like you ignore it when you're asked to condemn violence and threats towards your political opponents.

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 18:19

Make - I'm not sure if it's a joke or not, but are there really shifts of Makes policing threads on mumsnet in order to give Momentum's views?

I wish it was just mumsnet! Reddit is a madhouse.

Dapplegrey · 07/02/2018 18:26

Myrna - Make says things like "Make II left his/her shift early as she had toothache" and goes on about comms team etc. I wondered if she was serious.
As a pp pointed out, there are endless threads damning the present government.

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 18:42

Reddit is a madhouse.

You would be eaten alive on reddit, unless you stick to the far left subs.

Even r/uk would ridicule you and that's full of idealistic left wing students

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 19:03

Since this thread has happily gone off on a tangent, I'm just going to say that I do hope jrm won't be the next unelected pm. Or bojo, gove, hammond....

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 19:11

Since this thread has happily gone off on a tangent, I'm just going to say that I do hope jrm won't be the next unelected pm. Or bojo, gove, hammond....

I don't think you really want any Tory PM though do you though Brown Grin

But as some of the prominent posters on this thread have said many times, you do not elect the PM, you elect the party, therefore they would not be unelected.

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 19:12

If it had to be tory let it be a moderate one.

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 19:25

Officially we don't elect pm but there's some discussion to be had whether a resignation of pm should trigger a ge. I think probably a good deal of our previous pm's were unelected in the sense that they weren't the leader of the party when they won the election.

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 19:35

It depends on what your stance of moderate is, as you are vehemently against the conservatives and you have used the term "far right" previously I don't think you would ever agree.

If your going down the brexit route, then its going to happen either way whoever is in power, there is no soft or hard brexit and I say that depressingly as a remainer.

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 19:51

JustAnotherLurker,
I think as a very centre left voter, i think I could look to vote for centre right party, if it promised to fund the nhs(keep it free a point of use), proper funding for state schooling and social care. So someone like Anna Soudby or the Mp for brigg and goole, Andrew Percy or Robert Halton.
Can I ask what would make you and others consider a slightly centre left party.
Or is that not possible

I know many lexiters who say they voted Tory this time to get Brexit, then hoped for new centre left party. I wonder if any one agrees.

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 19:57

Elton
I also hate the idea behind tax credits, ie subsidy peoples wages using other taxpayers money(wages) which usually susidise multi national companies which pay like tax make them a living wage in first place.
Also don't like help to buy scheme, if house prices to high for average person lower them. Not subsidy builders with inflated prices.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/02/2018 20:05

someone like Anna Soudby or the Mp for brigg and goole, Andrew Percy or Robert Halton.

Anna Soubry is to decisive. Someone like Jonny Mercer or Tobias Elwood would be better, or Heidi Allan.

For Labour, Stella Creasy, Anna Turley or Dan Jarvis.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 07/02/2018 20:18

I like Heidi Allen a lot actually, and Johnny Mercer (and Stella Creasy for Labour, with Jo Swinson for the Lib Dems).

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 20:31

Lurker, it's true that my preference would be for a left wing government but since that's not happening for some time at least, I could settle with maybe just having a moderate tory government for a start. Who of the current bunch is moderate though, that's a good question. I know there have been reports that some tory MPs are beginning to voice concerns about at least some aspects of austerity policies. Soubry is often said to be moderate but does her voting record support that? I'm not sure.

User, I agree with you on tax credits and help to buy. I don't think they are a good long-term solution to the real issues.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/02/2018 20:45

Soubry is often said to be moderate but does her voting record support that? I'm not sure.

Soubry will never be PM. She has a majority of just over 800 and is a big remainer in a leave constituency. I have my doubts she will keep her seat in a GE.

She is also is stirring up the back biting within the party. One minute she talks about the words people use matter, bullying etc and the next minute is taking about slinging people out of the party for basically not agreeing with her stance.

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 21:08

*user

I think the issue with the NHS is that any talk of addressing the situation is met with cries of it turning into a US style health system. I have said many times it needs cross party, long term support but that does not mean just keep throwing money at the problem, which is acknowledged by a lot of politicians and political journalists. A power hungry conservative government do not want to bring in a PAYG system despite the rhetoric, it would be political suicide.

Same with education, teachers where not happy with reforms that the last labour government brought in either, there is no magic wand and its far from the simplistic ideal of just tax the rich more.

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 22:34

Sorry folks just throw out some Conservative Mp's names I heard speak or met. I will look at Heidi Allen and Jonny Mercer, could I ask what you think of Dr Sarah Woollerston please.
I like Faith like Stella Creasy and Jo Swinson. Wonder what you think to Jess Philips she sound really good on the woman rights issues.
I wonder after Brexit, sorry Lurk, but we have too and hope it goes well, if we see a different form of politics. May take a pariliament or 2, but as we governments won't have any to blame but themselves, whether the old guard will disappear and new more grassroots ones appear. Who actual work for their area, not paracutted from London to toe which ever parties line. I can only hope so actually if this happens, I will accept that Brexit was a roaring success. I was a remainer, I now sit on the fence and hope and pray the likes of Faith, Corcory , Surferjet and Wrongtrousers are correct and knew allong

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 22:42

Lurk can call you that,
I honestly think the Nhs, social care and education finding are so vital for this countries future that it needs a cross party approach and all 3 need to stop being bloody political footballs.
I certainly don't think the majority of all Consrvatives want to harm the NHS, it would be politic suicide. But there a few on extreme right who don't agree and I worry about them.
Don't think Labour have all the answers either or the LibDems.
But I think together they could go along way to fix all three' problems