Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

Obviously, he is a junior backbencher with zero experience of actual government

Mmmm, look at Macron.

Ok Ms Abbott is a hypocrite.
But I notice no one classes M.Gove and D.Cameron for sending their girls to a state school, which is almost impossible to average Londoner, even next to it, but then can go on TV to say I am the first Conservative Education Minister/Prime Minister to use state schools. Before running away to prep/Eton, yes you call me Dave.

Faith, good evening, ignore my posts tonight, can I ask if you and your family are well. Hope you are.
That's more important than all this toing and froing about who does what/doesn't what in politics.
I am okay, but we have had snow and half our home is with heating due to building works, I said to boys welcome to your mum's ands dad's childhood.
Hope it okay to be nice on an AIBU thread, still learning rules, don't want to fall out with you.

Whether or not they went to private school and whether they're considered hypocrites for it is beside the point I think. What should matter are the policies they propose/support or oppose. conservatives don't have a great track record of supporting state education.

But I notice no one classes M.Gove and D.Cameron for sending their girls to a state school, which is almost impossible to average Londoner, even next to it, but then can go on TV to say I am the first Conservative Education Minister/Prime Minister to use state schools. Before running away to prep/Eton, yes you call me Dave.

I think you are being slightly selective in your assumptions. The common go to for Tory Mp's are that they are out of touch and privately educated and send their children their etc.

The hypocrisy in the ivory tower left is rampant.

www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jul/23/why-send-child-to-private-school

Tonybee sent hers to private school as well

As another poster put it, it is Champagne socialism 101, there is always a caveat involved from those on the left.

Brownspot,
Yes I know, we have had funding cuts to education since 2015, I think a Conservative MP confirmed on TV last week. To be fair to him and a fellow Conservative MP both said it had been the wrong policy and needed to be overcome, and said funding increase for next 3 years from April, I think.
Sadly education policies FROM ALL PARTIES is been lost/overwhelmed by 1)Brexit and 2)NHS and Social care Issues.
I just hope, like I think 75-85% of the population that Brexit talks go well for both sides, and we slowly return to other issues.

Another,
I no so champagne socialist, I vote LibDem/Green/Independent. I can say I have never voted for either Conservative and Labour. I actually think there are good and bad MP's in all parties. I wish people would stop with the often repeated My family has always voted (FILL IN WITH WHATEVER PARTY) and I will always do so.
Examples Hull virtual always votes Labour
East Riding of Yorkshire, surrounding county, Conservative.
But when their Mp's are in Government, both sides protest policies they have just voted into place.
So we lose 3 MIU's and our local Conservative Mp leads the protest and petition, but he voted the bill through parliament, which lead to the closures. Same when Labour where in power, they cut support to northern cities, but the three city mp's voted for it.
Not sure whether we should chose our Mps better or go away from family/work traditions'
Ie farmers always voting Tory, even though Brexit may cost them their living.

Whether or not they went to private school and whether they're considered hypocrites for it is beside the point I think. What should matter are the policies they propose/support or oppose. conservatives don't have a great track record of supporting state education.

Actually, I think it does matter what the politicians do, and I think you are brushing over hypocrisy because it suits your narrative.

JC came to prominence on tidal wave of being principled, yet quite a few of his front bench is the epitome of "Do as I say, not as I do" politics.

Whether or not they went to private school and whether they're considered hypocrites for it is beside the point I think. What should matter are the policies they propose/support or oppose. conservatives don't have a great track record of supporting state education.

I can't call Corbyn a hypocrite in this respect, I believe that he disagrees with selective/private education.

Diane Abbot is the worst type of hypocrite, because she is happy to send her own child to private school while throwing up obstacles for others to dare to aspire for better for their own children. That's Labour in a nutshell - death of aspiration.

user

I agree with your last post.

We are still in the throws of the 2008 financial crash, centrist neoliberalism still hasn't got over the problems its caused, the issue is that people are trying to carve it all out to be either left or right leaning, ie:brexit and globalistation

Policies are what should matter. Don't know why anyone would disagree with that? I think state education deserves more funding. Even if the politician proposing or supporting the policy has sent their kids to a private school.

Policies are what should matter. Don't know why anyone would disagree with that? I think state education deserves more funding. Even if the politician proposing or supporting the policy has sent their kids to a private school.

Do you accept that many of the current issues regarding funding is because of PFI brought in by the last labour government, or do you brush it of in a partisan way.

What did Corbyn actually promise, from what I remember it was primarily around higher education.

Another,
Like I said I had nearly always voted SDP/LibDems in general elections, I liked Charles Kennedy, I know he had his demons, but seem to more likeable. Never really like what followed. Though after literally bumping into Tim Farron, I warmed to him. I kept voting because our local lib candidate was an honest man. Local I voted SDP for years after as we had 2 councillors left in the original party. Then independent/green.
This last election, I read threads on here, mainly Eu and politics board and many kind posters( on both sides) put up links to your party choice. I did several, OCD/low education levels/lack of self confidence. I was surprised most side I was left of centre, NO SURPRISE there, but all thought I should vote Green. Ok, but then my next 3 where SDLP/SNP/Paid Cmryu, I am English in Yorkshire.
But on policies, I actually agreed with 18% UKIP and 27% Conservative, that still shocks me.
But that's why I think we should actual think about our votes more. Maybe that's why when I read the Brexit arms and the odd westministenders thread I actually look out for/look forward to reading the posts of Faith,Corcory,Wrongtrousers and co, as much if not more so than fellow remainers, I think those posters reassure me that we aren't going to the dogs and there are very sane counter arguments.
This thread proves this to me too, we have more in common, actually then separates us. If we remember this and all work together we can exclude the farers ie left&right.

Before running away to prep/Eton, yes you call me Dave.
User - has David Cameron done this?
That's a genuine question as I don't the answer.
If he has now sent his son to a private school he's got off lightly re. bad publicity.

This thread proves this to me too, we have more in common, actually then separates us. If we remember this and all work together we can exclude the farers ie left&right.

I agree wholeheartedly with this, people just need to stop thinking they are morally superior because they vote a specific way. (coming from a center right voter, who thinks Cable would have been a superior chancellor if in a lib dem majority government)

If he has now sent his son to a private school he's got off lightly re. bad publicity.

Why?

User - has David Cameron done this?
That's a genuine question as I don't the answer.
If he has now sent his son to a private school he's got off lightly re. bad publicity.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/31/david-cameron-private-school-son-elwen-pledge-support-state-sector

The reason he didn't get bad publicity is that most of the guardian columnist etc have done exactly the same, plus there is the perception that it is the norm amongst tories.

Museum -
Because if, once he's out of power, he opts to send the children to a private school, then evidently the state education was a PR exercise while he was PM.
Justanother - the article is a couple of years old and says he's thinking about a private school. Did his son go there in the end? Genuine question - I don't think I've read anything about his children's education.
I take your point about the Guardian journalists - Alan Rusbridger's children went to private school as did Polly Toynbee's.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/if-the-guardian-dislikes-the-privately-educated-why-does-it-hire-so-many-of-them/

Dapple
I don't know, last thing I can find is he was at same primary as his sister in early 2017. But if I remember he planned to step down at end of 2020 parliament, so still early.
It has been mention since, lots of speculation even in right wing press. I think apart from his Davos appearance D Cameron has largely been lost to the public eye. Someone I know through ex farming background, ended up at a fund raiser in London, and Mrs Cameron, said it was okay for Nancy as there was a decent local girls school, but nothing for her son. She hoped a free school may open, but had the right to chose.
Who knows, and would we ever find out ? Are they really going to tell us, and what could any of us do?

Derxa - that must be a large percentage of the Guardian's journalists! They've missed Wykhamist Archie Bland off the list.

User - indeed, who knows. It's up to him and Samantha and I hope their children have a happy time at school wherever they go.

Lurker, yes agree on the pfis, and I would like to see that no new contracts would be awarded. Failing that they need to be managed much better than they have been so far. still doesn't take away my point that state education does need more funding. I'm wishing that the government is waking up and starting to change their approach. But I'm not holding my breath.

Dapple,
You are right, I fear that the likes of Justanother and Faith would point out the guardian are more champagne socialists. Also your right the Cameron's can educated their child how they like.

PFI's are crap, but I am no expert, they I believe where born out of necessary, because New Labour promised, hypocritically, not to borrow to spend. So if I am right, they where a poorly thought out way of keeping debt of the public finances, whilst allowing Brown/Blair to invest in Hospitals and new Schools. They have come back to haunt us all. But I maybe wrong, didn't they first get used by John Major's government. Maybe with the collapse of Carillon and Capita's warnings, its time for the government to bring these back into state control. Shit I sound like a Corbynesta, but I wish we really could see more joined up government thinking.

Last thought before I go home to bed, in the post war years, I believe I was only born in 1969, so school history from 1985 and listening to older relatives, but we seemed to have a Labour, then Conservative, then Labour, then Conservative governments, sort off every 4/5years, possibly shorter. I know they where probably less apart then now, but there wasn't enough time to really changed the country too much and it kept on the straight and narrow mainly.
Since 1979 we seem to have a mainly neo-liberal governments, of both blue and red, but both have had long runs in government, with also large majorities so have been able to push through what seem like drastic changes. So hated by the other side.
I wonder if this has led us to this place where each side thinks it knows better and other side are the devil. Which is so toxic for everyone.
I wonder now we have Mrs May with no majority whether things will get better, and less toxic, as her government has to drop some policies and therefore less drastic actions/policies will occur.
I wonder what anyone else thinks and if that was true or I am I talking rubbish It certainly won't be the first time
Goodnight

I wonder now we have Mrs May with no majority whether things will get better, and less toxic, as her government has to drop some policies and therefore less drastic actions/policies will occur.

Or they explain it away as a poorly run campaign and tighten the screws on the sick, the poor and the disabled even more.

“But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart”