Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

Dapple can I call you that.
I think my Cse3/ recently gained Level2 functionally English qualifications, are once again letting me down.
I was trying to say, I have learnt from lurking and posting on the Lord Adonis thread, and trying to have a conversation with youself, I was told off elsewhere for using usernames, can I? if not could you advise me please, and the likes of happy/grauch, that many children go on bursaries( is that right) and other charitable schemes. So I wasn't having a go, I am trying to not make sweeping statements anymore.
Like the stupid revolution one.
Once again can I say I have enjoy talking to you all, and listening to everyone's views, I realise as poorly educated dad, I have not often got much to add, I only really post on threads I have a little(very) knowledge on, so very few. I end up on this one by accident, scared, started badly( tired and poor English skills) but you kindly encouraged me to stay and listened to my humble rambly thoughts. You have enlightened me, open my eyes to different things and I hope made a better Human being, who may try to post a little more often, if my English/debating skills can cope.
So thank you all, in rl, I would never get the chance to speak to so many clever ladies, I am too shy, I have really enjoyed it

I like him too - at least he is not a hypocrite, which in my view is one of the worst "crimes" of a politician. How Diane Abbott could show her face after her decision to send her son to public school (..and Chakrabati) - nothing in itself wrong with using public schools, but you cant tell the electorate that their kids have to go to local comp, but that it is "not right" for your son - unbelievable really. Corbyn as well - prep school, grammar school, lived in a manor house and then makes out he is the working class hero - can't bear him.

the worst "crimes" of a politician

Worse than cutting a sick person's assistance?

“Corbyn as well - prep school, grammar school, lived in a manor house and then makes out he is the working class hero - can't bear him.”

Was he supposed to realize at the age of 7 that he might one day be a Lobour politician and refuse to go to the school his parents selected for him?

Bertrand, no of course Corbyn wasn't responsible for his parents' choice of schools any more than Tony Blair, Harriet Harman and other privately educated Labour MPs.
However he's hardly working class.

I'm pretty sure that the MN collective is really, really out of touch with the UK populous on this one.

JRM doesn't doesn't appeal to people because they want a Lord snooty to tug their forelocks to, or because he's a centre right Catholic politician. He's appealing because he is erudite, well mannered, honest, calm and extremely personable, but mostly honest.

He has said time after time that his personal views are his own and he does not wish to impose them on the majority who disagree with him. How anyone can disagree with this eminently practical point of view escapes me.

Obviously, he is a junior backbencher with zero experience of actual government, but it's very, very easy to see the writing on the wall.

Without question he will either occupy a senior position in government, if not actually be the leader, in a very, very short space of time and I think that the majority of the population would actually welcome that.

It's no surprise that Victoria Coren-Mitchel made the remark that she did regarding JRM, despite her politician persuasion and I strongly suspect that a huge number of the population feel exactly the same.

It is a very rare event that we are given the opportunity to utilise the skills of such an honest person for the benefit of the country and I think that collectively, regardless of political hue, we will mostly breath a sigh of relief when this man is given the post that he undoubtedly deserves.

ha ha hayh hahahah ahhahah hhaaa ha

“However he's hardly working class

He doesn’t say he is!

I was at the talk he gave yesterday to Journalism Students and have to say he really impressed me actually - and I’m a corbynite.

Hes just been going on about the unemployed. Yet his wife is a SAHM.
What different is she to a single mother from an inner city estate. Both parties dont work.

BTW, I would class Hilary Benn as on the same league.

I see we are back to name calling politicians, proudmum59 why, oh, why bring up Corbyn's schooling and home life, why not also mention Tony Benn, or most of the former conservative party PM's who had exactly the same backgrounds.
Diane Abbott, chose a school for her son, if you had lurked on education boards as long as I had, you would realise she is only doing what 100's of parent on here, many who personally hate/dislike private education, so they are hypocrites too, politicians are only human, when others do it why expect politicians not too.
I like a poster above, because she is against private/selective education, always argues the same valid, well thought out points and challenges other peoples thoughts. But she lives where only 11+ selection is available, and she does her best for her children, hypocrite? NO just a mum doing her best.
So can we stick to the actual original point.
Because at a time when, politicians are increasing despised and in actual danger of death, Jo Cox MP, I believe Diana and many other labour/left of centre and some Conservative women MP's face if not daily but week death threats. why so many women MP's, it horrifies me as a male, that it's many women MP's, so must really upset proper feminists
So I think it's in all of our interests to try and work together, with MP's to stop these personal attacks, from all sources, Momentum, Far right, even our own some times stupid comments. I am as bad, I upset many rightly early on, but you are educating me.

Was he supposed to realize at the age of 7 that he might one day be a Lobour politician and refuse to go to the school his parents selected for him?

Does the left ever accept that argument when they castigate Cameron, Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc. for going to Eton? Nope!

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Diane Abbott, chose a school for her son, if you had lurked on education boards as long as I had, you would realise she is only doing what 100's of parent on here, many who personally hate/dislike private education, so they are hypocrites too, politicians are only human, when others do it why expect politicians not too.

Er, no - her loathsome hypocrisy is extremely relevant because she presumes both to represent her constituents and aspires to a senior role in leading the country, while doing herself what she campaigns against ordinary people being able to do. It's no different than the common US phenomenon of Republicans preaching religious "family values" while having a couple of mistresses on the side.

Lemony was it JRM who impressed you and can I ask humbly why?
Dapple I think Corbyn would save he is a socialist champion for the many forgotten Britains, Bit like Boris and JRM claiming they have the best intentions for the average struggling Britain, Or Mrs May, grammar school and prep attendee, and married to multi-millionare outsourcer, claiming she was leading a new government for the JAMS.
I wonder if that's why both main parties failed to win a majority at the last general election. As neither are quite selling what thay really stand for?

Pinkerton,
Oh ok, I accept your argument, but why only Diane, I am a white male in Yorkshire, so I have no reason to defend her, I vote LibDem/Green usually so not politically bothered either, but many labour MP's have done similar.
Can I ask you why you think both Michael Gove and his boss, Dave Cameron choose to send their daughters to a "posh" state school, when trying to prove the Conservatives cared about state education. When most people believed he was leaving politics so his son could attend a prep and Eton, is that not as bad as Diana Abbott or is it okay as they are Conservative

“Does the left ever accept that argument when they castigate Cameron, Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc. for going to Eton? Nope!”

I don’t castigate them for going to Eton, that would be silly. I could castigate them for perpetuating the “networking” that their backgrounds encourage though.......

*I could castigate them for perpetuating the “networking” that their backgrounds encourage though.......&

Networking's networking though - they (and anyone else) would have to stupid not to use it if it's there.

Corbyn'd be doing it too if he knew who the people were behind the balaclava's all those years ago....

I could castigate them for perpetuating the “networking” that their backgrounds encourage though

Networking always seems to be traced back to whichever public school the networker went to.
Surely universities provide more networking opportunities? Look at all the politicians from all parties who went to Oxford - surely they made most of their contacts there?

Aw JRM wife is totally different if she is being supported by him to stay at home, why not,if they can afford this option.

I don’t castigate them for going to Eton, that would be silly.

You may not, Bertrand, but an awful lot of posters do. On every political thread there are posts vilifying Tory MPs for being posh, Old Etonians, public school boys, upper class etc.
These are not being stated as facts but as insults.

Diane Abbott, chose a school for her son, if you had lurked on education boards as long as I had, you would realise she is only doing what 100's of parent on here, many who personally hate/dislike private education, so they are hypocrites too, politicians are only human, when others do it why expect politicians not too.

I think your being a bit selective to be fair, she herself said she is very hypocritical news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3229453.stm

Your also being a bit selective, it was her speech to the opposition tory bench that they were all out of touch because their children went to private school, hence why this was jumped on by the media.

I can't find fault with JRM.

He has said time after time that his personal views are his own and he does not wish to impose them on the majority who disagree with him. How anyone can disagree with this eminently practical point of view escapes me.

Agreed.

So, ceding hypocrisy is now a defense against hypocrisy?

We might say she's more self-aware for seeing it, if only she hadn't couched her rationale n some racist tripe about how West Indian mothers will go to the wall for their children.

if you had lurked on education boards as long as I had, you would realise she is only doing what 100's of parent on here, many who personally hate/dislike private education, so they are hypocrites too

They are hypocrites too, yes.

They are 'ideologically' opposed to private education but bin their 'principles' the second it may affect their own offspring.

How lucky to be able to afford the luxury of telling other people what's right & wrong when it doesn't actually affect you.

Champagne socialism at its finest!
Do as I say, not as I do.