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Jacob Rees mogg at the University of the West of England (Title edited by MNHQ)

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Grrrrrsnarl · 02/02/2018 23:18

Just watched the clip of Jacob rees mogg at Bristol university, when a few momentum activists try to cause havoc and stop him from talking

Whatever anyone thinks of this man, I have to say he was pretty gutsy going up to them, considering they are all hiding behind Balaclavas and scarves and there wasn't any security there.
Most politicians wouldn't have gone near them, let alone try to talk to them

I like him. Yes his views are controversial and I don't agree with some of them, but at least he stands up for what he believes in

Full video
twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/959529976616947712. ( Sorry only know how to link to a tweet)

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 13:02

Elton, I think in the last election the government were promising to cut down immigration significantly and bring in better controls. I would have thought that combined with the brexit vote they would have already taken the chance to push through their policy

They can't do anything about EU migration until after the election. They have put controls on immigration from outside the EU.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 13:02

Sorry, not after election, after Brexit.

MuseumOfCurry · 07/02/2018 13:08

Make you have the most fascist views I've ever come across on MN.

Controlling borders is what modern, developed, welfare states have to do in order to maintain order.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 13:21

Mmmm. Old Hitler. The economy doesn't matter, history is made by a small number of individuals following higher ideals. Like John and Jeremy.

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 13:25

Elton, I'm glad to hear that. After brexit we will see the housing issues and wage issues sorted.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 13:30

Elton, I'm glad to hear that. After brexit we will see the housing issues and wage issues sorted.

We won't see them get worse if free movement is ended and it's not replaced with similar numbers elsewhere.

BrownLiverSpot · 07/02/2018 13:37

Tbf, they can't get any worse for many of us. I won't be happy with several years of what we have now, I would like to see some improvement.

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 13:39

Brown,
I did say too many on the left, i have total respect for many of the women like Harriet Harman, Stella Cressey, Jess Phillips and Dennis Skinner, John Mann, Frank Field etc.
I think there are many hypocrites on the right to. But they are easier to cover up.
But multi millionares saying they care for the jam's comes to mind.
Nick Clegg was no better.
I really wish at present all parties, could until 2019, put aside petty differences and work together to sort leaving the eu

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 13:43

Tbf, they can't get any worse for many of us.

Yes I imagine a lot of people in Germany said that in the early 30s too. So what about the antisemitism, we need a change!

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 13:47

Elton,
Yes to sensible well thought immgriation controls. So I think if there is a shortage in workers for sectors., farming, hotels and catering, care workers etc yes still them in on visas. But place conditons to this, so slowly but fairly rise the minimum wage and get the indusries involved with government help to train our own youth/umemployed to fill the gaps.
I also think both sides Lab And Tory to often change for change sake when arriving in government. Also both sides often critise sensible ideas/ plans just because they aren't theirs

user1471450935 · 07/02/2018 13:51

Brown,
I think for the sake of Brexit and this government, next one too probably, things have to improve and quite quickly too.
If not there will be many upset people, on all sides
The status quo going forward for another 5-10 years isn't good enough

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 14:03

Yes, I agree with you about farming and care and needing migrants for that, they are essentials. I don't agree we need them for hotels and catering which are non-essentials. I think that type of job should be forced to pay better wages to attract labour rather than importing cheap labour. I don't give a shit if that means less people can eat out, people being on a living wage is more important.

It's amazing that so many of the left's voters are unionised and go out on the streets if they don't think their pay rises are big enough. Yet they're ever so keen on driving down wages in traditionally working class jobs in the private sector.

Justanotherlurker · 07/02/2018 14:24

I think the farming wages also need to either increase of bring in more automation.

Germany, Holland and other western European nations are also suffering a drop in EU migrants for veg picking/farm work so that rules out brexit. One reason there is a drop is because Eastern European economies are booming, fewer of them are leaving and more of them are going home, they are after all, mostly economic migrants and economic migrants don't really settle forever in the country they arrive in nor do they uproot and leave if their home nation is doing well.

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 14:31

I think that type of job should be forced to pay better wages to attract labour

Where's your invisible hand go?

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 14:40

Where's your invisible hand go?

Same place as all those Labour enquiries into antisemitism I would imagine. Who knows?

MuseumOfCurry · 07/02/2018 16:03

The invisible hand is the market's response to a contracting market of low-wage imported workers, obviously.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 16:38

The invisible hand is a theory that people acting in their own self interest help society as a whole.

Obviously. Don't know where you got your definition from.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 16:40

Nope, searched and searched and your 'obvious' definition is bullshit.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 07/02/2018 16:47

The invisible hand is the market's response to a contracting market of low-wage imported workers, obviously.

Nothing 'obvious' about it.

Instead of posting in sound bites and clues perhaps it's best to actually type what you mean.

MuseumOfCurry · 07/02/2018 16:55

With fewer workers arriving from the Continent, British workers are in a position to demand more money, i.e. employers are forced to pay better wages .

I was in fact wondering why make didn't see the invisible hand in this arrangement.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 07/02/2018 16:57

That makes sense curry, apologies, I misunderstood you.

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 17:00

With fewer workers arriving from the Continent, British workers are in a position to demand more money, i.e. employers are forced to pay better wages

Does the hand need governmental control?

If so it ain't the hand controlling things is it?

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 17:01

That makes sense curry, apologies, I misunderstood you.

You guys take your time, pull yourselves together. I will be right here.

makeourfuture · 07/02/2018 17:04

Make II went home early today, a toothache or something. I will be here until 1am.

MuseumOfCurry · 07/02/2018 17:05

Does the hand need governmental control?

Even the most ardent capitalists recognise the need for a minimum of government controls.

You guys take your time, pull yourselves together. I will be right here.

Grin I'm sure you will. Wink