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about use of the car?

187 replies

TotHappy · 30/01/2018 15:32

DH and I used to both have cars, he had an old banger that eventually died, he replaced it with a nutso BMW convertible that we had to take out a loan for and was still way too expensive and impractical, so after 6 months he sold that and he said he wanted to get a push bike rather than another cheap car. So he got one. For £600. He's used it about 30 days in total I reckon (got it in August), as soon as the autumn weather set in he wanted the car whenever it was windy/rainy/cold and this has gone on all winter. I almost never have it in the week. Just the last month or two, I've had it every Thursday as I need it for work (I am a SAHM mostly but do 8 hours a week, mostly from home but 2 hours in the office on a Thursday. This involves working in one office then dashing to another to drop stuff off by lunchtime and I often have DD with me). He gets a lift in on Thursdays.
Last night I told DH that this isn't working for me, and I need the car more. I explained why - I have chores to do for work, I want to take DD places, she's getting too heavy for me to carry her and the shopping back from town etc. He initially was just like 'well I don't know what to suggest because I need it for work too'. I said, why not use your bike? He said 'because its nasty and horrible out there'. I said ok why not sell your bike and get a car? he said because he'll want to use the bike when it gets nicer, and we can't afford a second car (it would be a struggle, but we've done it before we can do it again. His argument is we could only afford an old banger so lots would go wrong with it etc etc but like I said, we've managed before.) After a bit of this back and forth, I said 'but it's my car', which I knew he'd take objection to, and he did. He was clearly pissed off, but went out and came back in and said, how about two days a week I have it and the other 3 he does, is that enough? I said not really, I don't know when I'll need it, it's for errands. He was still pissed off but we seem to have just left it at that for now. We've recently finished a course of relationship counselling (triggered by other things but the things we were working on are probably relevant to this dynamic over the car...) and so we're both trying to communicate better. So although I think: 'it's my car! i want to use it whenever I want! you chose to sell yours!' I don't want to actually say that to him as it will trigger WW3, all about him providing etc etc sacrificing his own car etc etc.
His idea is that it WAS my car when we each had one, but now it's the only one it's a 'family' car.

Who is right??

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TotHappy · 04/02/2018 23:00

We were out at my parents when I noticed and commented he was wearing them so to be fair he couldn't take them off... But no he didn't when we got home. It didn't even occur to me to ask.

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TotHappy · 04/02/2018 23:01

Not that I mean to imply by that last sentence that I am a poor ground down women who doesn't even notice when he's being unreasonable anymore.

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CapnHaddock · 04/02/2018 23:33

What behaviour has he changed since counselling?

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/02/2018 23:47

Interesting he wore them to your parents.

A cynical person might think that he made sure to do it where he knew that if you made a fuss, you'd look unreasonable in front of your family. A cynical person might think that's the kind of thing a nasty piece of work would do.

steff13 · 05/02/2018 02:51

I cannot fathom him just wearing your pants. Was he too lazy to get his own pants? Were all his pants dirty? Is this pants-specific, or does he wear your blouses and underwear too?

maras2 · 05/02/2018 03:08

When did you last see the bike?
Are you sure he hasn't already sold it?

TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 03:14

WTH kind of Jeans are these ?? I can't visualise him wearing womens jeans

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2018 03:15

In my day everyone wore 501s; boys, girls, everyone.

TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 03:18

MrsTerryPratchett Mon 05-Feb-18 03:15:56
In my day everyone wore 501s; boys, girls, everyone.

I remember them, just never had the money to buy them

TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 03:22

😬😮🤐🤪 Just realised I dont own any jeans. At all.

Exiguous · 05/02/2018 03:24

There's an easy train journey but he's making you give him your car instead?

WTF?

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2018 03:25

I remember them, just never had the money to buy them

I never had new ones. Camden Market second hand!

TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 03:26

Sorry OP. (((((Hugs)))) if you want them

TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 03:29

Rural Aussie here. at that time no way to buy second hand anything that wasn't farm machinery lol [now live in semi suburbia]

Emerencealwayshopeful · 05/02/2018 04:14

He’s an areshole. Not helpful and extremely judgemental but I feel it needs to be said.

If he is waking at 8 and leaving at 8.30am with your car, it sounds like he does absolutely no parenting in the morning? What about in the evenings? Does he parent your child then?

We’ve only ever had one car. For the first part of our marriage DH either walked to the station and back, or I dropped him and picked him up, or we drove together to the station and parked. I actively disliked driving until recently, so when he did need/want to take the car to work (sometimes he has contracted to be places that are awkward by PT) we often worked it out.

About 6 years back I saw a Dutch cargo bike/bakfiets and decided I wanted it. It was an expensive purchase, cost as much as a small car would have. But we sat down and made the numbers work. DH’s parents bought him a bike for his birthday while it was on the way. That bike became my main mode of transport for 5 years, and I used it for the vast majority of school runs even when that became 4 children plus gear plus dog. It also had capacity for a huge supermarket shop (when only one passenger or none) and because it was easy to park right at the doorway DH also tended to take it when he was doing shopping.

At this point it seems that your DH considers it totally acceptable for you to have no mode of transport while he has 2. His ‘compromise’ is to generously give you one more day with a car. Your car. If he at least asked to borrow it that would acknowledge your right to use it. But he hasn’t done that.

It seems to me that since you do share a home and a child you will need to ‘compromise’. And since he seems incapable of knowing what that word means you will likely have to meet him about 80% of the way.

He has a few ways to get to work - yes?

  1. He takes your car. It sits at the office unused all day.
  2. He gets a lift. If this is an option on Thursday, would it equally be an option other days? He can offer to pay towards petrol/parking costs for co-workers car.
  3. Train. He can cycle ten minutes each side and have both exercise and avoid the horrible weather. Alternatively in bad weather you can drop off or pick up from the station. Or he can walk each way, even in shitty weather many people do actually do that.
  4. He rides all the way to and from the office. This is what he purportedly bought the very expensive bike for in the first place. On days the weather is particularly awful we’ve identified other options.
  5. You drive him to and from work. If it’s 15 minutes each way then even if you do both ways and have no other reason to head in the direction of his office, you are at most in the car with child for an hour each day as ‘payment’ for use of the car the rest of the time.
  6. I can’t come up with another off the top of my head, but you might be able to.

You also sit down together and work out how many transport options are open to both of you right now, and what you would ideally like there to be. Would a cargo bike/trike be an option that is cheaper than a car to run and would meet your needs? Would switching out the expensive but underused bike for a power assist model that goes faster for less effort be worth considering? Would there be one day in your week that not having the car would make little difference because your regular outing is just around the corner, or you and DD enjoy a pj day?

Also consider together, if you can get him to the table, what responsibilities come with having the car - picking up shopping for one. Taking partner/child somewhere before or after going where one needs to go.

It’s your car. Not recognising that is completely unfair. But now it’s the only car your family has access to you will need to ‘share’ more than is fair. Unfortunate fact. But you were not consulted when he decided that you didn’t actually need a car during the day, and from the sound of things that’s meant your winter with your child has been made more difficult. You need to sympathise with him while emphasising that the current situation is unworkable.

Bowerbird5 · 05/02/2018 04:20

I remember them too but didn't have a pair. I had Wranglers for riding my horse. Was rural too Maddhugger. Now live in a different country!😄

OP form someone older and maybe wiser maybe not!

He sounds like he needs to grow up a bit.

How about this. We only have one car so need to share when DH is home.
During the winter he has the car three times a week unless you want a special day out then either you take him to work( DH does this) or he gets the train or a lift. This pattern to go on until say Easter. Then he rides his bike and you have the car say four days a week. When the weather gets warmer you'll want to go out more and no reason why he can't ride the bike.
Shopping can either be done by you one day a week or you do it together. Any extras he can pick up on the way home for the time being.
Wearing your jeans. No that is not on. Start wearing his favourite jumper or something. He'll get the message. If he doesn't stop tell him you will tell people he likes wearing your clothes😉
Good luck. He has mad a few boyish mistakes now he needs to grow up and become the father that he is.

Emerencealwayshopeful · 05/02/2018 04:29

Also, yes. He’s deliberately claiming ownership of your things. It’s a power thing. As is the insistence that you are always so negative. It’s gaslighting and unfair.

My DH’s preferred weapon is to claim I’m nagging if I dare repeat a question. He also accuses me of bullying him. His latest was to claim I abused him. Total nonsense but doesn’t mean it helps keep the marriage on an even keel.

It is entirely reasonable to expect that your partner (key word) respects your things rather than treating all things as collectively yours and thus available to him at all times. Sounds like the car is only one part of your problem. In the medium to long term you’ll likely need further counseling to help you communicate with him. And even then he’ll likely insist that you are ganging up on him.

The jeans thing sounds like he was baiting you. Deliberately trying to make you angry so he can prove to himself that he’s putting up with you rather than the other way round. It’s petty. And most likely deliberate. And if you have recently had another go-round about the car it’s an attempt to distract you.

cantsleepclownwilleatme · 05/02/2018 04:30

Yeah he's a dick. Your needs are secondary to his, and if you say anything then you get called controlling.
Why do you want this relationship Op? He's got you tip toeing around him, trying not to upset him while he treats you like a second class citizen.

Jenny70 · 05/02/2018 04:45

His commute via train seems completely normal, seems unreasonable to dismiss that completely, at least on some days.

Also, does he have free parking at work? If he's paying for parking (either at the carpark, or with salary sacrifice) then stop the parking ASAP.

Another option might be ZIPcar, if you're in a city they provide car hire by the hour. Slight pain with child seat, but if you've got a specific errand to do that needs a car, cheaper than having second car. Or taxi, it really might be cheaper to get taxi home from supermarket (or do online shopping for heavy items).

But overall, I agree it's YOUR car, and if you accept him using it for commuting on certain days, fine. But if not, he needs to sort himself into cycling, train or lift share. With colleagues down the road, surely sometimes he could share a lift, and other times get train.

PeterRabbitsBlueCoat · 05/02/2018 04:53

I read the OP & thought "jeez this whole MY and YOUR stuff" is a bit uncomfortable, and surely as a family you both need to stop doing that and think of OUR.

But.... as I've kept reading and got to the jeans thing - that's just downright disrespectful. I feel that big/expensive items ought to belong to the family jointly, and therefore any decisions about purchasing/using ought to be made as a family. But then when it comes to smaller, more personal items then you would have your own.

Of course you can't go back in time and not buy the silly BMW, or not buy the expensive bike. So now you have to move on from it. However it sounds like he may not appreciate that to you they were both a compromise, and now he has to compromise too? Does he think that you were OK with both of those purchases? It does seem like you resent them both (and I would too), but if he doesn't know that then he needs to be made to understand.

Good luck OP, you have my sympathies.

FindoGask · 05/02/2018 05:06

To the poster that said you have to spend £1000 on a commuting 'setup', I paid £250 for my old tourer, (though have spent a wee bit more on it since - new rear mech, tyres and front wheel, still not £££) and got my winter gear either at Decathlon or the Aldi sale. Been cycling to work for 2 years on it now. I do look after it though.

TotHappy · 05/02/2018 09:38

I really don't think t is a case of him wearing my things deliberately to bait me or show me up in front of anyone - he just has what I consider quite a selfish, entitled attitude to things. My family all think he's a dick because of this, so he wouldn't have gained anything by starting a row there. I agree with you Bower that he just needs to grow up and stop acting like a thoughtlessly selfish teenage boy. I don't feel he is abusive, just selfish, yes it does make it harder work for me trying to 'train' him into adult relationships but I know I can't be perfect either. Actually what precipitated him agreeing to counselling was him asking for a divorce because I was 'abusive' by withholding car keys one morning. I had taken them to bed with me as he had agreed to cycle in the morn and I didn't want him changing his mind and taking them - or drink driving the night before - but he overslept and came up in a panic saying where are the keys, I refused to give them, held out for about 5 mins but he was panicking etc so gave them to him in the end. He regarded this as abusive because I was withholding them while watching him panic, so as he put it was a power thing with me 'dangling him on a string '. I thought that was a mental assessment but can only assume that somehow what I did was a huge trigger for him. I spent a long time trying to convince him that I was not trying to hurt him or make him panic, that everyone is different and his triggers aren't mine. He is certainly hard work but he has good points too. Since counselling he has tried to respond calmly and reasonably to me seeking discussion about topics rather than getting angry and either starting a fight or shutting down. This has made things much easier.
He would have worn mine because he had no jeans clean, yes. The only other thing he does it with are socks and one of my shirts he's taken a fancy to.
DD doesn't get up in the morning till 8, it's him getting up that wakes her. That's why it's a PITA for me to drive him in although I obviously could, we'd just have to wait for breakfast etc till we came back. He does parent in the evening's and weekends. He would happily shop for me when he gets in, I'd just rather be able to start cooking before then plus I prefer shopping myself because he doesn't budget like I do so will end up spending more than the food allowance.
That's the kind of thing that makes him say I'm controlling. I guess I am. He's a very impulsive, reckless type, esp about money and I'm a very cautious, risk averse type. I know I am and I therefore control all family money as he agrees I'm better with money. That's the reason I didn't 'forbid' the expensive car or bike, because he already feels I'm controlling about the day to day budget.

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TheMaddHugger · 05/02/2018 09:58

OP, look up Gaslighting, That' what he is doing to you
(((Hugs)))

Graphista · 05/02/2018 11:05

The day you withheld the car keys he coulda tipped up to work late and faced the consequences of HIS actions (sounds like drinking too much and oversleeping - is this why he doesn't like getting up early? He's often hungover on work days?)

He knew he was supposed to be cycling that day I reckon he just couldn't be arsed on a hangover.

Graphista · 05/02/2018 11:06

And I'm not bloody surprised you worry about his attitude to money given how bloody irresponsible he is!