AIBU to ask why you for Brexit?

[BillySmut56]

I'm politically neautral on Brexit, it's a complicated issue, but I'm interested in the consequences that are coming out now. If you voted for Brexit, what were your reasons?

We have been in the EU far longer than 8 years and it is primarily the left that is now coming up with the tidbit of EU legislation as some kind of gotcha argument, the Guardian and many left leaning remainers could have put many of the Daily Mail arguments to bed with this gotcha then, they decided not to, stop trying to paint it as a right wing issue, it crosses the political spectrum.

The issue of "foreigners" whether working in the UK or in jail in the UK is a right wing issue. The tabloids never shut up about it.The entire referendum came about because Cameron tried to silence the hard right in his own party! It was actually a leaver who raised the issue on this thread!

I voted leave. I don't regret it and would do it again tomorrow.

I think the EU is a busted flush. The longer we stayed it we would have been totally fucked over economically. Lots of other countries have Leave movements.

The EU has had it's day. My primary motivation were financial and economic.

Immigration isn't really a factor except insofar as I would like free movement of unskilled labour stopped, as frankly we have enough unskilled workers here already.

As I pointed out earlier those with higher qualifications are likely to work in professions that exposes them to the workings of the EU, trade, finance and this may well have played a factor in their voting preferences.

Hate to break your little stereotype bubble, I have a masters level qualification, I work in a profession that has lots of EU exposure (also finance related) and I voted leave.

Same reasons as given by @SilverySurfer.

If the EU is so great why has Italy been on its knees for years? We’re just bailing out all the failing EU countries.
We’ll be better off out, then we can spend all the millions we have to pay in every year on our own country.

Boys

The environment in which you live (housing etc) has been created by the policies of consecutive British governments not the EU.

A campaign that was largely about controlling borders and immigration cannot be denied.

Hate to break your little stereotype bubble, I have a masters level qualification, I work in a profession that has lots of EU exposure (also finance related) and I voted leave.

There will be exceptions and didn't realise I needed to point that out.

We’ll be better off out, then we can spend all the millions we have to pay in every year on our own country.

Start with £350 million for the NHS. But not before the very expensive £40 billion + has been paid to actually leave the EU.

The environment in which I live reflects people trying to get by. PEOPLE not white/black/insert whatever PEOPLE! Yeah yeah thatcher, Blair didn't help either though did he? And corbyn thinks blokes who wear dresses are women!

Immigration was/is as much a factor for remain voters as Leave voters.

"...we found that Leave voters saw immigration as a more important issue facing the country than Remain voters. However, we found multiple areas of agreement between Leavers and Remainers..."

openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/beyond-the-westminster-bubble-what-people-really-think-about-immigration/

the very expensive £40 billion

That would have been paid anyway had we voted Remain, and would have continued to pay forever more.

GhostofFrankGrimes
As I pointed out earlier those with higher qualifications are likely to work in professions that exposes them to the workings of the EU, trade, finance and this may well have played a factor in their voting preferences.

It could be said that they voted to remain because their jobs are dependent on the EU, and not because of what was best for others.

The issue of "foreigners" whether working in the UK or in jail in the UK is a right wing issue. The tabloids never shut up about it.The entire referendum came about because Cameron tried to silence the hard right in his own party! It was actually a leaver who raised the issue on this thread!

No the issue is a slightly more nuanced than that, Blair promised a referendum on the EU and didn't deliver, a one issue party then arose to third in the polls by taking votes from both labour and conservatives. Labour has now elected to the head of the party a life long eurosceptic, Cameron miss read the situation but to try and paint it is just a right wing issue is lacking critical thinking.

The environment in which I live reflects people trying to get by. PEOPLE not white/black/insert whatever PEOPLE! Yeah yeah thatcher, Blair didn't help either though did he? And corbyn thinks blokes who wear dresses are women!

• Sadly some people are discriminated based on skin colour, religion etc. You might not think this happens in your community but it happens in the UK.

• You are ignoring the role British governments played In destroying British industry/manufacturing whilst watching communities decline because you have convinced yourself Britain's problems are caused by the EU.

It could be said that they voted to remain because their jobs are dependent on the EU, and not because of what was best for others

This.

No the issue is a slightly more nuanced than that, Blair promised a referendum on the EU and didn't deliver, a one issue party then arose to third in the polls by taking votes from both labour and conservatives. Labour has now elected to the head of the party a life long eurosceptic, Cameron miss read the situation but to try and paint it is just a right wing issue is lacking critical thinking.

The left wing euro sceptic view belongs in the 70's and it is actually correct. The concern then was that globalisation and a larger market would damage British industry and British workers. This is correct to a point. British industry and workers suffered the most damage a decade later under neo liberal economics. The problem with the left wing argument is that it is 40 years out of date. The world has changed. Britain cannot go it alone because globalisation contradicts the Brexit argument. The Brexit argument also ignores the likes of Euratom, Open Skies, Good Friday Agreement etc. If Britain was more self reliant and had a stronger manufacturing base it might cope but of course the British themselves sold this off in the 80's!

The modern euro-sceptic view is a minority view (in British political life). It started with John Major's "bastards" right through to Cameron's "swivel eyed loons". Most Tory MP's wanted to remain. Most Labour MP's wanted to remain. Most Labour voters wanted to remain. The leave supporting (right wing press) and the cynical and well financed leave campaigns played a huge part.

It could be said that they voted to remain because their jobs are dependent on the EU, and not because of what was best for others.

Well, if the "others" believe a low wage tax haven is going to be good for them, good luck. Personally I think Brexit will be a fudge and everyone will be disappointed.

I voted leave, would have been happy with either result, good and bad on both sides. Everyone I know who voted leave did so because they were under the impression it meant we would actually be leaving the EU. No one I know voted leave because they wanted to pretend to leave. It was black and white, the idea of a 'soft' Brexit didn't exist before the vote, its really just used now as code for remainers trying stop us from leaving.

Since then I have been convinced I made the right choice.

My reasons are:
*A lot of politicians seemed to imply they were going to punish us if we didn't do what we were told.

*The EU is becoming a superstate, I dont want that.

*Politicians in the EU and UK have not listened that we wanted to control immigration, leaving the EU will force them to listen to us.
*I do not agree with the EU dictating laws to us, I want the UK making our laws.
*I do not agree with the EU spending our money, I want our government to spend our money.
*I want the UK to make our trade deals in the interest of the UK not the EU making them in the interest of the EU.

• All parties at one time promised and reneged on a referendum on the EU. *Germany made an open door illegal immigration policy, it didn't give a crap how it would affect other countries in the EU. *President Obama said we would be at the back of the queue. *Imo the EU gravy train is bloated and corrupt. *Imo the EU is not democratic, UK citizens cannot hold it to account and power is to far from the people. *What happened in Greece *Being told the UK cant survive on its own and is 'crap' without the EU to parent it. *EU students can go to Scottish universities for free but English students can't. *I dont want 'because of the EU' to be an excuse for our politicians anymore. *I dont want to be liable for other countries debts *The attitude that the UK is filled with savages who will descend into debauchery, ravage our environment etc without the EU to stop us.

and many more reasons.

I was under the impression leaving would be at a certain cost but in the medium/long term we will be a lot better off and we will get back a sense of national pride.

"It could be said that they voted remain because their jobs depended on it, not because of others" exactly

Also I wish people would be realistic about expectations. Brexit may take a generation. It's not about instant gratification.

Julie, you post reads like every Daily Express headline over the last 40 years.

Also I wish people would be realistic about expectations. Brexit may take a generation. It's not about instant gratification.

Right so, economic hardship and lower living standards for 25 years to eventually reclaim national pride. Great

In your opinion Ghost.

I agree people are discriminated on skin colour and sex, remind me who the biggest underachievers in education are?

No, all the evidence is suggesting that. From Jaguar Landrover cutting production, to the value of the £ after referendum, to being bottom of G7 growth league.

I agree people are discriminated on skin colour and sex, remind me who the biggest underachievers in education are?

Can you enlighten me as to why this is relevant to Brexit?

Personally I am tired of people, going on about how remainers know better, how they are more informed and voted the way that they did for the "best of the country"

The vast majority voted the way that they did because it benefited them, from the jobs that they do, cheap holidays, cheap labour and other assorted guff.

Its taken almost two years to be able to have anything like a decent discussion about this and leavers are still subjected to you are supporting racists, your idiots if you believe etc.