AIBU to ask why you for Brexit?

[BillySmut56]

I'm politically neautral on Brexit, it's a complicated issue, but I'm interested in the consequences that are coming out now. If you voted for Brexit, what were your reasons?

We also know that despite immigration being a key factor for leave voters most leave voting towns have low levels of immigration. Those least impacted by the EU voted to leave, those with first hand experience of EU policies seemed to vote remain

Utter rubbish. Outside of London the most diverse areas of the UK are:
Birmingham voted leave
Slough voted leave
Leicester voted remain
Luton voted leave
why people voted for brexit

You tell me. As I stated upthread there was a 44% rise in race hate crimes after the referendum. A Labour MP was murdered in the street by a man with links to the far right days before the referendum. A man is in court today for driving a van into a mosque (killing 1). Another man is in jail for making racist comments online against Gina Miller.

Actually The Home Office said the figures showed a spike in hate crime in England and Wales following the Westminster Bridge terrorist attack (killed 6 and injuring 49) on 22 March. The Manchester arena bombing (killing 23, injuring 512) and the June London attack (killing 11 and injuring 48) these attacks also followed brexit, so is brexit the reasoning for these attacks?

These terrorist attacks count as hate crimes so your statistics are skewed.

Make us into one big state and less voices are heard

Country size does not really impact on democracy. In larger states a federal system overcomes many issues and in some instances a more responsive local government results.
Some small states can be very centralised with little devolution - the UK in the 1980s is an excellent example of a relatively small country that was highly centralised with little local accountability.

What is striking is that leavers are still using the debunked slogans from 18 months ago. They say nothing of the mess the government are making of Brexit. They want to take back control. Their government created a leave EU department. This department produces a report saying Brexit will have a negative impact, cue hard Brexit tories denouncing their own department and reports! How could Brexit be anything other than a mess with this incompetent government running the show?

the 6% only counts those that are in the country legally and not those that are not.

A man is in court today for driving a van into a mosque (killing 1)

What has that got to do with Brexit?

You lot need to look into how the benefit system works these days, people don't get a choice. Take the zero hour contract or you have refused work and sanctioned. Why can't people see if there is an endless supply of cheap labour, why could/should workers be listened to for rights? They are replaceable. Less workers, more rights! Why? Businesses need people to make money for them. "It's not the EU" why free movement of people then if not to enhance capitalism

You even have Cameron saying that its not as bad as it was advertised, yet the doom mongers are still out in force.

You even have Cameron saying that its not as bad as it was advertised, yet the doom mongers are still out in force.

Why can't people see if there is an endless supply of cheap labour, why could/should workers be listened to for rights? They are replaceable. Less workers, more rights! Why? Businesses need people to make money for them. "It's not the EU" why free movement of people then if not to enhance capitalism

Trade union rights got curtailed in the 80's by UK gov not EU. Do you think hard Brexiteers like Rees Mogg and Bill Cash are opposed to capitalism?

Boyslikepinkgirlslikeblue

Its another way of massaging the figures but some people won't see that, just that unemployment numbers are low and we "need" an external workforce.

That the External workforce is cheap, can be exploited, often have no rights and sometimes are trafficked here means nothing.

You even have Cameron saying that its not as bad as it was advertised, yet the doom mongers are still out in force.

If using "endorsement" from the worst PM in living memory things must be desperate. "Not as bad as advertised" is hardly reason to celebrate is it?

GhostofFrankGrimes

Do you not see the link between a non-unionised workforce flooding the market and the ability of employers to undermine workers rights?

Do any of you really think we have control from globalisation? At least nationalism gives us hope! I don't believe in a utopia as too many people are different. But I'm British, I'm not European I've grew up in Britain. I'm British

Why do some people insist on trying to out post people on political topics as though the person with the most posts wins? This happens far more with political topics than other discussions. There's a lot more blinkered "I am right and will keep posting until everyone else goes away or shuts up" on these topics than others, even ones about MILs and fruit shoots.

GhostofFrankGrimes

I'm not using him as an endorsement for anything, given that he was one of those that stated how bad this would be if we left.

We also have some of the 'experts' that were vocal about leaving saying the same thing.

Like the cut of your jib, Ghost and your tenacity. I'm worn out just reading the tosh you're refuting.x

Well, I voted to leave! It's really sad, but I am way to scared to admit this in real life because people where I live r very presumptuous and assume I voted remain - thus I hear all the hateful and hurtful comments about leavers all the time, and am therefore to afraid to admit the way I voted :(

I'd vote leave again.

I didn't vote leave because I'm:

1. Ignorant
2. A racist
3. Am anti immigration
4. Have no idea what I'm doing
5. ... insert her ...

I voted leave on a matter of democracy. I was not happy with decisions about the UK being made by unelected officials and with UK law being affected by European policy which may not relate to the specific way in which the UK works. I also voted to leave based on a few business and financial ideas I had formed based on exploration of the facts and research around the topic.

I thought carefully about the decision. I would vote leave again for the same reasons.

I just wish all my lovely friends and neighbours, who normally always seem so respectful, open, kind and humble, would stop insulting leavers and making it impossible for me to 'admit' the way I voted

For me, remaining a part of Europe is because of proximity and on-the-ground, actual economics.

Oh, FFS, Brexit again?! Yawn. I voted Remain, but for crying out loud give it a rest already - we lost, we're leaving.

durgha

That "tosh" is people's lives and lived experiences.

Having worked in the public sector for many years I was sick of the ridiculous European "funding". When our local authorities are so strapped for cash they are at breaking point but they have to apply to Europe for money to repair pavements (from money they've sent over in the first place!) I just found the whole funding situation ridiculous. Oh and if you don't fill one form out correctly they can decide to fine you several years later for far more than the original value of the funding. These are real situations I have come across, there are lots more equally ridiculous and that is why I voted out. I would vote out again tomorrow. Just wish they'd get on with it.

confused "I voted leave on a matter of democracy. I was not happy with decisions about the UK being made by unelected officials and with UK law being affected by European policy which may not relate to the specific way in which the UK works. "
Fair enough, which particular decisions and laws made you decide to vote leave?

Honestly remain people be honest! You don't give a fuck about the working class, majority of you are voting labour because you don't want mean tested tuition fees so your kids get free uni places. At least corbyn was realistic and turned the average into 80 grand before they were the 1%. Made sure it skipped his wage and 4 x the national average. We love the poor! Haha fuck off 😁....the poor know you are virtue signalling dickheads out for your own gain, you think we are uneducated 😜 Poor people have a better nose for bullshit than anyone

Oh, FFS, Brexit again?! Yawn. I voted Remain, but for crying out loud give it a rest already - we lost, we're leaving

Amen.

There's a very good book called
The EU: A citizen's guide.
It's written by an English bloke who is nothing to do with the EU.
So when you talk about unelected officials it might help you understand how it actually works and how it facilitates democracy. It includes what's good about it and what isn't.
I read this before I voted in the referendum.
www.penguin.co.uk/books/293941/the-european-union-a-citizen-s-guide/