AIBU to ask why you for Brexit?

[BillySmut56]

I'm politically neautral on Brexit, it's a complicated issue, but I'm interested in the consequences that are coming out now. If you voted for Brexit, what were your reasons?

This makes me laugh. Remainers continue to insist that immigration was a key factor for Leave voters despite being told otherwise but then you say that most leave voting towns have low immigration levels. So which is it?

To be fair it does poll quite consistently as the second/third most factor, the problem is that the rhetoric of most leave voting towns having low immigration ignores the difficult conversation of the those that do and somehow blame it on current government policy and the anecdotes of the those that live in the towns that did vote leave, even anecdotes from immigrants themselves.

This makes me laugh. Remainers continue to insist that immigration was a key factor for Leave voters despite being told otherwise but then you say that most leave voting towns have low immigration levels. So which is it?

Its almost as if the "Breaking point" poster and the "controlling borders" tagline never happened

mellon

I want us to be able to make our own decisions in a globalised world.

This is a contradiction. All trade deals require compromise, give and take. Ironically globalisation has been terrible for British industry and workers.

We are where we are and MPs should support the PM and her team so they can negotiate effectively not hamstring her and this process. smile

That's not how democracy works. Governments should be held to account. MP's should not roll over if they feel strongly about an issue.

ghostfrankgrimes why are you here? The guardian needs you back to indoctrinate you further. Ffs I give up. Look if anything about the EU benefitted the poor UKIP would not have been so successful and ex mining villages would not have turned blue in the last election. Get your virtue signalling head out your arse. I guess you don't care about real people's voices though? As long as you are ok. What is actually good about the EU?

mellongoose, when Labour challenge the government about Henry VIII powers, do you think they are hamstringing the goverment? I wonder what leavers think about the current state of affairs in Parliament? Is it fair to challenge the Brexit process?

Blue

As has been explained upthread Britain's problems are home grown. I'm not going to list them all but heres a few 8 years of austerity, the council house sell off, high rents, the selling off of industry/privitisation in the 80's. Mining villages suffer because mining was wiped out in the 70's and 80's and never replaced with new industry. Not the EU's fault.

I guess you don't care about real people's voices though?

Yes I do, because I am a real person.

Little tip: when you are reduced to insults you've lost the argument.

“ I voted Leave. I'm young (ish), degree educated (if that is even relevant), work in an MPs constituency office but used to work in the City. I always thought that I would vote Leave, but I waited until the evening to actually vote....I wrestled with it most of the day.

For me, it was nothing to do with immigration or ££££ extra for the NHS. I don't want us to leave Europe and pull up the draw bridge. I want us to be able to make our own decisions in a globalised world. But I have to agree that the EU is unsustainable in its present form.

I like the direct contact constituents have with our MP. This is democracy. I don't know if my decision was correct. Nobody does. Telling people they are stupid, ignorant, racist etc does not help the debate. We are where we are and MPs should support the PM and her team so they can negotiate effectively not hamstring her and this process.”

I totally agree with this.

Apologies, don’t know how to do quotations in posts properly.

There are over 5,000 currently in our prisons from the EU.
EU member states are allowed to refuse entry to or deport anyone who they feel is a threat to their country, or who is a burden on the welfare system (the UK has chosen not to implement the latter).

Little tip: when you are reduced to insults you've lost the argument.

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By that yardstick, you lost the argument a looong time ago - and yet you persist!!

When you are reduced to insults you have lost the argument?
Uneducated, misinformed, racist, ignorant,xenophobic bla bla yeah thanks. I couldn't give a flying about anybody but the ones with no voice. The eu does not represent us

I want us to be able to make our own decisions in a globalised world.

This is a contradiction.
I don't believe it is. Yes, deals require agreement and compromise among multiple parties, but at least we are able to make our decisions as to to what our compromises should be. We get to decide what deals are best for Yorkshire, West Midlands, Somerset; all our countries and regions. If we don't agree we can remove the government.

Fly there's a difference between the analysis and highlighting of the constitutional ramifications and the grand-standing we now see.
Let's remember Cons and Lab are both on a path to Brexit; so they say!!

By that yardstick, you lost the argument a looong time ago - and yet you persist!!

I persist because I enjoy calling out bullshit. Can you provide examples of these insults Faith?

Why no plans?

None at all.

We get to decide what deals are best for Yorkshire, West Midlands, Somerset; all our countries and regions. If we don't agree we can remove the government.

This can be done now, as an EU member. If the British government wanted to invest money in say Sunderland, it could do. Ironically, it was EU money that transformed Liverpool with the capital of culture award. Something that will be lost with Brexit.

Not the EU's fault.

You're ignoring the growing resentment in the EU to the project.

You're ignoring the growing resentment in the EU to the project.

Care to elaborate?

@makeourfuture can you explain how the EU is going to be good for everyone?

EU member states are allowed to refuse entry to or deport anyone who they feel is a threat to their country, or who is a burden on the welfare system (the UK has chosen not to implement the latter).

Lets not pretend that the left leaning press,politicians have been telling the UK electorate this before the referendum, or that they was ever in favour of enacting it to placate the swivel eyed.

@Ghostoffrankgrimes why the rise of the right all over Europe, have a lot of people suddenly turned racist? For what? Just racism? Get a grip and look outside your own bubble

Lets not pretend that the left leaning press,politicians have been telling the UK electorate this before the referendum, or that they was ever in favour of enacting it to placate the swivel eyed.

Er, we've had a right wing government for 8 years. May was Home Secretary for 6 years. Why didn't the right wing press tell their readers? Because their was more worth in peddling mis-truths about the EU?

@Ghostoffrankgrimes why the rise of the right all over Europe, have a lot of people suddenly turned racist? For what? Just racism?

You tell me. As I stated upthread there was a 44% rise in race hate crimes after the referendum. A Labour MP was murdered in the street by a man with links to the far right days before the referendum. A man is in court today for driving a van into a mosque (killing 1). Another man is in jail for making racist comments online against Gina Miller.

Why do you think people believe the media? All media has a biased agenda. ALL MEDIA

Why do you think people believe the media? All media has a biased agenda. ALL MEDIA

Yes, but alot of people can't see that can they? Or at the very list they use certain outlets as confirmation bias/bias of their prejudice.

I voted leave because, from the research I had done at the time, it seemed small businesses would benefit from better trade deals without the constraints of having to use certain suppliers in the EU.

I also believed Britan was one of the pillars supporting the EU and that it would have crumbled in time to the detriment of the remaining supporting countries.

I can honestly say that immigration played no part in my decision to vote leave. Our country has benefited hugely from multiculturalism and continues to benefit from the skills of people from all races and backgrounds, I wouldn't wish for that to change.

My decisions were and are based entirely on what I felt was the best financially for Britain. I may have been wrong, but who's to say the EU wasn't on it's way to collapsing anyway? In which case it would have just been a money sink-hole for Britain that we are better off out of.

Er, we've had a right wing government for 8 years. May was Home Secretary for 6 years. Why didn't the right wing press tell their readers? Because their was more worth in peddling mis-truths about the EU?

We have been in the EU far longer than 8 years and it is primarily the left that is now coming up with the tidbit of EU legislation as some kind of gotcha argument, the Guardian and many left leaning remainers could have put many of the Daily Mail arguments to bed with this gotcha then, they decided not to, stop trying to paint it as a right wing issue, it crosses the political spectrum.

Race hate crimes? Ffs you mean, reported race hate crimes rose. Where are your stats for convictions? The people you believe voted brexit live side by side with every nationality, the poor are all put in one place,that will be shit housing and crappy employment opportunities, no hate where I live at all! I live in the shitest council estate you can imagine. We are English, Polish, Nigerian, Croatian, our kids play out on the street just fine. If my white child falls over, my Nigerian neighbour comforts him, Sort your self out!! Brexit has fuck all to do with race, you are deluded if you think we care! Poor is poor, race is skin tone bollocks