AIBU to ask why you for Brexit?

[BillySmut56]

I'm politically neautral on Brexit, it's a complicated issue, but I'm interested in the consequences that are coming out now. If you voted for Brexit, what were your reasons?

just wondered Ghost as I do agree with Mummy that a whole lot of people felt strongly enough to vote Leave across the country, and it seems normally to only be Londonders that do not usually understand why and how bad things may be in some places

Except that alot of northern cities (and Scotland/NI) voted remain. These cities have their far share of poverty and deprivation. As does London.

Another northerner Only been to London a handful of times , actually that's a lie did live there for a few weeks about 30 years ago , not sure that makes me Londoncentric though

That you generally do not go to war with your trading partners is true. But there was always a teleological basis for the community.

just wondered Ghost as I do agree with Mummy that a whole lot of people felt strongly enough to vote Leave across the country, and it seems normally to only be Londonders that do not usually understand why and how bad things may be in some places

What a lot of remainers don't get is why these people thought things would be better if we left the EU. Because all I can see is stuff getting worse.

Cities tend to have far higher housing costs, which means a higher wage need to live there, which follows on with your education theme and how the poorer less educated voted to leave, which would mean a city would vote stay.

Scotland I think may have been after the vote there, they saw they needed EU funding, So very much a self motivated thing.

Except that alot of northern cities (and Scotland/NI) voted remain. These cities have their far share of poverty and deprivation. As does London.

I agree. What I don't agree with is the constant sniping at Leavers reasons. That usually comes from Londonders, hence my question. And yes, Ive read the thread all the way through

Oooh makeourfuture I had to google that !

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56445646.html

Mummy outside London , cities are not generally more expensive for housing .

What a lot of remainers don't get is why these people thought things would be better if we left the EU. Because all I can see is stuff getting worse.

Things have got worse because of UK government policy not the EU.

Cities tend to have far higher housing costs, which means a higher wage need to live there, which follows on with your education theme and how the poorer less educated voted to leave, which would mean a city would vote stay.

What? In my remain voting home city you can pick up a terraced house for 80-90k. In the leave voting rural market town in which I now live there is barely any immigration. House price average is over 200k and the town has plenty of wealthy land and business owners.

Scotland I think may have been after the vote there, they saw they needed EU funding, So very much a self motivated thing.

Plenty of leave voting English towns received EU funding.

Frumpety eu is going to slam us hard because they don't want mass attrition.
Let me ask you this, if the whole plan was detailed on the table before negotiation then how does that give us the advantage in talks? I am sure there is a plan, just not one that they want to share until they have finished their negotiations. In business, I would not share the contents of my arsenal before the fight.
Whether you voted her in or not, she was voted in by her party.
Whether you voted out or not, a vote took place and we are leaving.
Arguing the toss now is pointless. Those that voted for the losing side have to accept the result and move on. No One knows what will happen in the future because we are not there yet. This thing will not be resolved for another 10 years at least. During which time various heads will roll, banks will do what banks always do and cause panic. Shares will go up and down, the euro/pound/dollar will continue to fluctuate. The media will hype anything they can to cause panic and disarray.
Stop being angry about something you can't change and be patient and see what happens. Only when the plan unfolds will we begin to see the picture of life outside the eeu and it will not be fully visible for many years yet.

so in a nutshell nobody knows what the hell they voted for other than "leaving.".

The constant quotes of posts with answers is patronising Ghost - I suspect you know this though. It seems to be a theme with those that voted Remain on here

I think there have been some very good Remain and Leave points made on here. But ‘some’ Remainers do not seem to be able to comprehend that the reasons people have given count just as much as their own reasons. Just because one thing doesn’t concern you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t concern someone else. You would all do better for taking in the points raised (if they are relevant and realistic) and stop the mud slinging. Else the question that was posed within the thread of the post remains unanswered as some people will be too scared to give their reasons for fear of being jumped on and made to feel stupid

Ghost, got it in one.

But we have told you this about a thousand times.

Scotland I think may have been after the vote there, they saw they needed EU funding, So very much a self motivated thing.

Given that Wales receives some of the highest levels of per capita EU funding in the UK, why did they vote Leave then? Or are the Welsh less self-interested than the Scots in your view?

Or maybe it’s because the Scots are less concerned about immigration or have a different concept of sovereignty or have no desire to retreat to trying recreate the empire?

Jamie as I keep pointing out the EU knows what we have to negotiate with , given that we have been members for the last 40 odd years , there is no secret arsenal .

EU is going to slam us hard ? they said they will forget all this nonsense and have us back if we want , which obviously I do

Those that voted for the losing side have to accept the result and move on.

No. We can try and stop it.

Only been to London a handful of times , actually that's a lie did live there for a few weeks about 30 years ago , not sure that makes me Londoncentric though

Anything longer than a day trip means you're classed as a Londoner & southerner

Looby I do that too , didn't realise people would find it patronising , just a way in which to address certain parts of a post , spreads it out a bit , makes it easier to read .

A genuine question to you though , if someone says something to you that you know not to be true , do you question it ? I am not talking about an opinion , I am friends with people and have family with a wide range of opinions on a whole host of subjects , including the leave/remain debate . Opinions are generally different , facts not so much

Let me ask you this, if the whole plan was detailed on the table before negotiation then how does that give us the advantage in talks

As anyone who has done any actual negotiation will know, you have to put some things on the table. There has to be a starting point to give your opponent something to work with. Each side needs to be clear about what their firm position is and what things they will be prepared to move on. And yes, eventually this has to be communicated, otherwise no negotiation will take place. Problem is that the UK gov/civil service have no real skills in this area.

I am sure there is a plan

Based on what you've seen so far - and please take into consideration all the UK governments dealings with the EU in general, the Irish government, the DUP and the leaders of the SNP/PC, the general handling of impact statements, conflicting information from various senior figures and the existence of David Davies generally - what on EARTH gives you that idea? Other than wishful thinking of course.

Faith nooooooo , I am going to take a shower , I feel unclean

Ghost, many people were undecided over the Brexit decision. The condescending nature of your posts are the reason their decision was swung towards leave. You’re responsible. Blame yourself, and others like you, for this outcome, not a slogan on a bus.

The constant quotes of posts with answers is patronising Ghost - I suspect you know this though. It seems to be a theme with those that voted Remain on here

To be fair I do that too, and I'm diametrically opposed to ghost wrt Brexit.

It helps to reduce the chances of other posters thinking you're replying to them (which is when things usually kick off!)

Frumpety

A genuine question to you though , if someone says something to you that you know not to be true , do you question it ?

Of course frumpety. But just because you 'pretend' to be educated on a subject aswell as being psychic, does that mean you should patronise people to the extent that I have seen on this thread?

Ghost, got it in one.

But we have told you this about a thousand times.

So Brexit is a hunch, a feeling? So you can see why people might be angry that the life savings have been tossed on the roulette table. Lets all just hope.

The condescending nature of your posts are the reason their decision was swung towards leave.

See above. If Brexit is no more than cult like faith then its very difficult to take seriously.

You’re responsible. Blame yourself, and others like you, for this outcome, not a slogan on a bus.

Except I'm not. If anyone voted leave simply because they didn't like the attitude of ordinary remainers (not politicians) then they are fools. The fact that many people were taken in by the bus slogan is another matter entirely.