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To vote Tory in the next election?

330 replies

LadyBoyXy · 28/01/2018 20:31

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

OP posts:
Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 10:28

And as I said earlier, death rates are actually going down despite the population getting older.

There are absolutely no facts to back up ridiculous claims 'bodies are piling up'.

makeourfuture · 31/01/2018 10:41

And as I said earlier, death rates are actually going down despite the population getting older.

Of course death rates are going down. They have been for a long, long time.

But what we are seeing is a jarring slowdown in those rates. Two reports have suggested this is connected with cuts to health/social care.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 10:47

Not true. They rose under the coalition which is when those studies were conducted (2011-2014) and are now falling.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 31/01/2018 10:49

And the increase under the coalition was based mainly (according to the ONS) on more old people.

Underparmummy · 31/01/2018 14:14

JC caused Brexit. He could have stopped and stood up for the eu at any point but he wouldn't, and he didn't. He just wants to rebel, its all he cares about. By not standing up for the EU he has f*cked all the people he claims to care about the most - the ones that cant afford the 3% (at the moment!) inflation on food.

It has also been painfully obvious for many years now that the man is extremely sexist and views women as secondary creatures (women only train compartments anyone?)

Rebeccaslicker · 31/01/2018 14:18

I also blame Corbyn for Brexit. Lots of the areas that voted out were labour strongholds Angry

FanDabbyFloozy · 31/01/2018 14:44

He just wants to rebel, its all he cares about.
I agree with this from @Underparmummy

The guy is being tortured right now, having to make decisions and act statesman-like. I implore all labour members to vote in someone who non-labour members feel able to vote for to.

BrownLiverSpot · 31/01/2018 16:52

This is actually amazing, people blaming everyone else for tory mess other than tories of course. I don't know how they do it, they have a Teflon like quality when it comes to the blame for the disasters they have caused. It's almost admirable and other parties would do well to learn from it.

Scabbersley · 31/01/2018 18:40

I also blame JC for Brexit. He could have had a real influence. But of course he did naff all, and now look where we are.

WitchesHatRim · 31/01/2018 19:07

I also blame JC for Brexit. He could have had a real influence. But of course he did naff all, and now look where we are

That is because if he was a back bencher, like Skinner, he would have voted for it.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 19:11

brown

I know...its weird

PortiaCastis · 31/01/2018 19:15

I blame Dave for throwing his toys outta his pram when the result was announced, he instigated the referendum and then did a runner

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 19:17

I blame dave

He started it..

And farage and gove and Johnston

But deffo dave

PortiaCastis · 31/01/2018 19:18

Yep and he's a coward doing a runner

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 31/01/2018 19:21

How's it Corbyns faultConfused.
It was David Cameron who got us the vote..

PortiaCastis · 31/01/2018 19:26

Precisely baby spider

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/01/2018 19:28

Go back a year and he was a nobody to most people on mumsnet

And now he had the power to stop brexit

I thought people looked at remain/leave and researched and made a decision for the good of the country

Now it appears that everyone would have listened to jezza

PortiaCastis · 31/01/2018 19:31

Well the vicar's daughter isn't doing much about anything except lose a majority

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/01/2018 19:35

This is actually amazing, people blaming everyone else for tory mess other than tories of course

Not everyone, Brown; some of us are only too aware of those things the Tories get wrong and wish the opposition were doing a better job of flagging them up - it is, after all, part of what they're there for

Unfortunately they appear too obsessed with their crazed political experiments and "cleansing" those who dare to dissent to actually do any effective opposing

ThanksForTheToast · 31/01/2018 19:36

I feel disillusioned with JC but could never vote tory

KennDodd · 31/01/2018 19:44

I also blame JC for Brexit

I am open mouthed at this. Why would you not blame the party that had the referendum and is pushing through Brexit? Hats off to the Tories if they can push the blame for this onto somebody else and people swallow it.

In my book the Tories are absolutely 100% (well 95%) to blame for Brexit. Why would anybody think another person or party (well apart from UKIP) is more to blame than the Tories? Please explain why you think others are more to blame.

Justanotherlurker · 31/01/2018 19:49

Now it appears that everyone would have listened to jezza

How, he is as much of a brexiteer as farage?

malificent7 · 31/01/2018 19:51

Corbyn is NOT responsible for Brexit.Cameron is.

ButteredScone · 31/01/2018 19:56

Brexit is the result of long term and complex socio-economic factors. No single person or government was responsible.

blankets4ever · 31/01/2018 20:03

One of many reasons why I will not vote Tory:

"“Indisputable” new research has linked government cuts in adult social care and health spending to nearly 120,000 “excess” deaths in England since 2010.

The research, published just before midnight last night (Wednesday) by the online journal BMJ Open, concludes that people over 60 and residents of care homes have been particularly affected by the spending cuts.

And it warns that the cuts could continue to be responsible for an additional death toll of up to 100 deaths a day if significant extra funding is not found.

The researchers say the deaths are more strongly linked with cuts to social care than health spending, with every £10 drop in spending per head of population on social care associated with five extra care home deaths per 100,000 of the population.

The researchers from King’s College London; University College London; Oxford and Cambridge Universities; the PILAR Research Network; the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine; and the University of the Philippines, point out the real term cuts of 1.19 per cent a year in social care spending between 2010 and 2014.

Their findings show that deaths in England fell by an average of 0.77 per cent a year between 2001 and 2010, but increased by an average of 0.87 per cent a year between 2011 and 2014.

They say that government spending cuts were linked to 45,368 excess deaths between 2010 and 2014, and are set to be linked to an estimated 150,000 further deaths between 2015 and 2020, equivalent to nearly 100 extra deaths every day.

Combining the projected excess deaths and the deaths observed between 2010 and 2014 translates to around 120,000 excess deaths from 2010 to 2017, they say.

Most of the deaths were among the over-60s and care home residents."

Report goes on to say:-

"The researchers said that “no firm conclusions” could be drawn about whether it was the government cuts that were causing the deaths, but they said their findings backed up other similar research that suggested they were linked.

Research from the University of Oxford earlier this year suggested that cuts to health and social care were likely to be the main cause of 30,000 excess deaths in England and Wales in 2015.

The researchers say their new findings make “a strong case” for increased social care funding, targeted on improving care delivered in residential and nursing homes and in people’s own homes, while also maintaining or increasing nurse numbers.

But they say that it could cost an extra £25 billion a year in social care and health spending by 2020-21 to close the “mortality gap”.

Professor Peter Beresford, co-chair of Shaping Our Lives, the national network of disabled people and service-users, said: “This is indisputable evidence that the long-term failure of social care exacerbated by seven years of severe cuts is a killer."

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/research-linking-care-cuts-to-120000-deaths-is-fresh-evidence-austerity-kills/