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To vote Tory in the next election?

330 replies

LadyBoyXy · 28/01/2018 20:31

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

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Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 12:58

learn from your mistakes well as a former Labour Party member who hates momentum.

Yes as ever labour have to make themselves totally unelectable before they wake up and choose a sensible leader.

Fuck me because that’s never happened before.

Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 12:59

And what Fradishes said

FingersXssd83 · 30/01/2018 13:07

Nothing more important than the NHS and education. Labour will invest in those services, whereas the Tories will bleed them dry and sell them via the back door to their mates.

Could never imagine voting Conservative.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 30/01/2018 13:10

But the NHS and education needs huge amounts of money

And Labour under Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum can’t seem to work out any sums between them which is concerning when they are promising so much

Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 13:11

The nhs won’t be fixed by throwing more and more money at it.

It’s not fit for purpose as it’s a model from 1945.

It needs a complete overhaul and we need a proper social care system.

Any party that actually says this and not just plastered over the cracks would get my vote

Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 13:11

Maybe Dianne can help with the maths Confused

FingersXssd83 · 30/01/2018 13:18

NHS funding is 2% less per population than Germany and France. Underfunding it is a political choice and people are getting pretty pissed off with Tory propaganda with regard to 'modelling'. Make the rich pay a bit more and fund the NHS properly I say because when it's your family member in need, you'll realise there's no bigger priority.

Peace out, I'm getting off this thread...

(wife of an infuriated and overworked NHS consultant 😵)

Dustysparrow · 30/01/2018 13:24

Re. the gender ID .....just because the Tories haven't been banging on about this issue it doesn't actually follow that they give two shits about women's rights just because they are the opposition party.

The Conservatives have been a monumental fuck up of epic proportions since they came to power. The very basics of what our society needs in order to function have been totally compromised: health, education, social care, law and order (police/prison services etc) - all under funded massively, all red-taped up to the eyeballs and all haemorrhaging staff because their working conditions are so intolerable. We need to sort out these grass roots issues first, they are literally a matter of life and death.

BrownLiverSpot · 30/01/2018 13:38

What annoys me is when people vote for a party not to improve their lot but to actually make somebody else's life more difficult. So many have voted to cut benefits for disabled people, bereaved parents etc. To cut funding for healthcare, to cut funding for education. No point in saying that you voted for a party but not for their policies.

Justanotherlurker · 30/01/2018 13:51

What annoys me is when people vote for a party not to improve their lot but to actually make somebody else's life more difficult. So many have voted to cut benefits for disabled people, bereaved parents etc. To cut funding for healthcare, to cut funding for education. No point in saying that you voted for a party but not for their policies.

I think you must have bit in Labours last manifesto that they was not going to reverse any of the benefit cuts....

The general population do not vote to make things worse off for other people, it's a lot more nuanced, it is more often than not a different approach to similar outcomes. That is excluding the hard left and hard right, but, Labour supporters as a generic whole do not understand politics like Tory supporters

Eltonjohnssyrup · 30/01/2018 13:53

makeourfuture, how are you getting on at Momentum HQ today given that the leader of Haringey Council has resigned blaming 'sexist, bullying and undemocratic behaviour on the part of Momentum members for her decision? You all feeling a bit subdued?

user1471596238 · 30/01/2018 14:01

Eltonjohnssyrup - Corbyn's approach to the NHS is worlds apart from the (new) Labour party of 2008. By all means, if you disagree with Corbyn's policy agenda or don't like Labour or don't agree with that type of politics, not a problem but Corbyn never was 'New Labour' and nothing about his views make me think that they would coincide with the policy of PFIs.

user1471596238 · 30/01/2018 14:05

Mycatisahacker - definitely agree about social care. The NHS will never be fixed if social care is not addressed.

mountford100 · 30/01/2018 14:11

The thing that regularly comes from these threads , is an assertion that Conservative voters are some kind of 'extreme' remote group on the fringes of society !

The fact that 43.9% of the voting public voted for them in the 2017 GE gets forgotten; for this absurd belief from many on here that Conservative voters are evil !

Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 14:12

Fingers

Agree education and the nhs are key but nowt will get funded if momentum gets control of the economy. The tories just don’t care and will never fund either properly

User yes it’s time for a proper conversation about social care and the nhs and I think it would be a vote winner. We will loose the nhs if we don’t. I think most people realise this

rcit · 30/01/2018 14:13

Vote for whoever you want OP. Your own decision and also confidential in the secret ballot.

I personally think we are up shit creek whatever party I vote for. Cheery thought!

makeourfuture · 30/01/2018 14:16

Tory sums keep the debt growing and growing.

Justanotherlurker · 30/01/2018 14:22

Tory sums keep the debt growing and growing.

Labours policies will add more onto the debt as well make, have you still not worked out the difference between deficit and debt, i believe the rebuttal is on p48 of the momentum handbook, starts with... But the Tories....

derxa · 30/01/2018 14:29

they want to punish those they see as beneath them This statement is so silly I don't know where to begin. Punish who for what?

derxa · 30/01/2018 14:31

makeourfuture you remind me so much of claig and her talk of the 'elites'.Except she was a right wing bot.

Mycatisahacker · 30/01/2018 14:33

Most people who complain of elites were born into one.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 30/01/2018 14:34

Tory sums keep the debt growing and growing.

Labour's awful PFI schemes mean money is going hand over fist out of the public budget to pay into private company's profits.

makeourfuture · 30/01/2018 14:35

It is ideological.

They see the poor as lazy. They see the sick as malingerers. A character fault. No work ethic.

Thatcher said a lot about it.

Rebeccaslicker · 30/01/2018 14:37

"Make the rich pay a bit more and fund the NHS properly" Hmm

First, it's not a bit more, let's face it. It's a huge overhaul and a cash injection of epic proportions.

Secondly, how do you propose to do that? Wouldn't every government be doing it if it were easy?!

Eltonjohnssyrup · 30/01/2018 14:38

Corbyn's approach to the NHS is worlds apart from the (new) Labour party of 2008.

New Labour for all their faults were more competent than Corbyn and his allies. If New Labour left us with crippling public debt that's nothing compared to what we'd see with Corbyn.

Makeourfuture. I see you've set up a new ID decided not to comment on the outgoing leader of Haringey Council's allegations against Momentum.

What a shame since you are so well placed to comment.