To vote Tory in the next election?

[LadyBoyXy]

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

I believe so, yes; certainly the ceaseless soundbites in lieu of anything more meaningful would suggest it

Sometimes he does deviate from the script and break out of character but then gets in a tailspin when pushed.

He seems to be getting a bit desperate by just saying Thatcher in random posts though, I find most people who revert to using Thatcher are one of the first to suggest that Blairs labour are history and should not be discussed.

Blair got away with it for as long as he did because the Tories where in power until 1997.

The reason New Labour never had to say 'no' to anyone was because the finances and the country was in a strong position in 97.

It is the easiest thing in the world to keep saying 'yes' to every request like a child continually asking for another toy.

Labour only fell when the 'money' ran out due to the economic collapse of 2007...

Labour would still be in office 'never' saying no to anybody 'continual Christmas '.

Anyway i can't wait when parents instead of finding 'god' for their children's education; declare ' Johnny now identifies as Jane because the girl's school gets 20% better GCSE results !

Complete madness....

Or perhaps make is just angry at the state of the country and wants a change? He/she won't be the only one.

I'm also now one of the politically homeless, after being an exclusively Labour voter.

I can't see me ever voting Labour again. It's an unrecognisable shambolic clusterfuck of a "party" now - fragmented by the aggressive, hyper-macho cult of Momentum and the incoherent bullshit of identity politics. I'll never forgive Corbyn and his idiot crew for what has happened.

The Labour Party has betrayed women. I can't even convey my contempt. As for inherent nastiness and vitriol - nobody beats this lot.

Some shrieking teenager, jabbing his finger in my face, sweating with aggression? Fuck that.

Maybe when you see people dying, you want to do something about it?
Make, to be honest the majority of people do as well, despite what you think, those a little bit more to the center and center right do not want to see people die.

You just post soundbites without any critical thinking, I and I suppose many others have seen you dismiss reports and statistics because they of their right wing status, unless it suits your narrative (ie, the one pointed out in this thread) I have also pulled you up on you being Pro EU citing banks threatening leave one minute and then gloating about Banks threatening to leave because of JC, your not consistent, I do not believe you are an American Tankie but I do believe you are a naive Momentum bot that lacks critical thinking.

Sometimes he does deviate from the script and break out of character but then gets in a tailspin when pushed ... He seems to be getting a bit desperate by just saying Thatcher in random posts though

Indeed

We may not always agree on here, but at least we can thrash out issues and hopefully learn something along the way; certainly I struggle to convey just how much I've learned from other MN posters, including those whose views couldn't be more different to my own

Not from those who appear to be bots though

''statistics reveal 2,380 people died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared able to work''.

Those figures don't actually tell us much either. We don't know how many people were assessed within that period so what the % of deaths they would expect in a group that size. We also don't know what they died of.

So for example, somebody who was claiming for depression may have been found fit to work because their depression wasn't bad enough to stay off work. But then the following week died of an unrelated brain haemorrhage or heart attack the risk of which was unknown.

Now now Elton you're employing logic, reasons and facts

Yes I will, despite coming from a long family line of labour supporters but I just can not begin to think what it would do to the country if JC got in...I am just terrified of what he will do to our country, especially at this pivotal time.
So yes I will be voting conservative until Chuka Umunna becomes leader and then finally we will have a chance of another labour government, nor before no way.

Also really like Jacob Rees-Mogg so if he became leader that would be bonus.

Maybe when you see people dying, you want to do something about it?

By that logic Jeremy Corbyn will be buying everyone a private aeroplane, given flying is safer than driving and it would save lives.

Disabled man wins appeal, and is declared fit for work a second time.

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/disabled-dundee-man-told-fit-work-despite-winning-dwp-appeal/

''Mark Lilburn, 32, had a brain tumour at the age of two, then had two major strokes a couple of years later and another stroke aged 20 — leaving him with severe physical and mental disabilities.

Mark, who lives in supported accommodation in Menzieshill, is unable to communicate verbally and can only walk for up to three minutes,''

Man died on his way home from Job Centre 'after being found fit to work'
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-died-job-centre-fit-to-work-dwp-government-assessment-benefits-death-a7537111.html

You carry on minimising and making snide comments.

To posters asking if I'm wanting to leave Labour just because of their position on gender ID:

It goes so much deeper than that. Their stance shows utter disregard for the rights of the woman - 51% of the population. Yes, the Tories have also been trying to push this through; however, not as aggressively as Labour and I do not believe it's high on their list of priorities.

Wrt to Labour's manifesto pledges on the NHS, if you had scrutinised those you would see they have only pledged a fraction more cash than the Tories have. I do think, however, that this Tory government are not doing anything very meaningful to tackle the social problems in this country. It's all Brexit Schmexit, and let's not forget JC's dubious position on it during the EU referendum. That and his? views on gender ID bring to light gaping discrepancies in his personal integrity IMO.

I now find myself questioning my motives for voting Labour in the last election and looking more carefully into their track record. I thought as a mother and woman, my family and I might fair better under Labour, but I'm now not entirely convinced they are the best bet. I worry about things going (even more) haywire under a hard left government. The current 'momentum' of the Labour party feels to me like complete lunacy.

Maybe I won't vote Tory next time, but I most definitely won't vote Labour ever again if they don't drop their fanatical, misogynist ways.

Man died on his way home from Job Centre 'after being found fit to work' I know someone who had a heat attack coming home from the vets, should vets be banned? Journalists spin for a living.

YABVVVVU

being Pro EU

There are many working to bring leadership around to calling it off. It is a sticky situation.

It was a Tory mistake. Specifically that there were, and still aren't, any plans at all.

I know someone who had a heat attack coming home from the vets, should vets be banned?

Dark humour.

not doing anything very meaningful to tackle the social problems in this country. It's all Brexit Schmexit

Erm Brexit is quite important

Labour were SHIT during the referendum. JC was too busy feeding his ego at rallies to have anything to say about it.

I will have a heart attack if JC becomes PM for sure

It was a Tory mistake. Specifically that there were, and still aren't, any plans at all.

So how do you sit with JC being Eurosceptic all his life with his voting record proving it, how have you managed to spin it into a right wing Tory issue when the EU vote was a cross party, Morning star which is very popular now amongst Momentum die hards was for leave as well.

Also it is not as though JC or labour have any plans either, I voted remain but do not pretend that Labour would have handled this any differently, even ignoring the whole JC scenario, and a vote would have happened at some point, UKIP came 3rd on a single issue. It would have come up eventually.

You (and generally the other die hard momentum supporters) seem to think its somehow morally superior to vote along your alliance and use emotive arguments about the poor, yet ignore the fact that during the last GE, the manifesto which JC had his hand in was not going to reverse any of the benefit caps/cuts already put into place.

If Labour dropped Corbyn and co. and their anti science and logic stance, they'd probably have a fair chance at winning the next election.
As it stands, they heading into parody, and are totally unelectable.
I've said it before, I would not be surprised if a Labour representative came on breakfast tv and started defending the rights of people pissing on lampposts as they identified as dogs.

YANBU. Vote for who you want to.

UpstartCrow, you're always going to be able to find one or two cases where a mistake was made. One of those cases was a simple admin error sending out the wrong letter. It doesn't necessarily translate to a system wide problem.

It's like the Sun and Daily Mail will always be able to find a Somali family living in a mansion for £90 a week. It does happen sometimes but that doesn't make it a systemic problem. Lefties seem to be perfectly able to understand that when the same logic works for them. But develop brain freeze when it goes the other way.

you're always going to be able to find one or two cases where a mistake was made

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Because these companies they hire to do these things, the way these assesments are made, with these targets and punishment bonuses.....It is systematic. It is a dark and fetid ideology.

Hidden away in plain view really. Each body found later and attributed to the cold, or a fall.

Oh bollocks makeourfuture, that's just emotive rubbish with nothing to back it up. It's just as bad as people who claim their hairdressers brothers girlfriend is on £60,000 benefits a year with a free car and a mansion for £90 a week.

One of those cases the earlier poster linked to was simply an admin error with the wrong letter going out.