To vote Tory in the next election?

[LadyBoyXy]

I've lost all hope of any rationality coming out of JC and Labour.

I feel like my biological existence is being wiped out.

I already feel completely bereft that the future of the female/girls/women will likely continue to be ruled and overruled by the patriarchy.

Or that Labour membership fell by 4,200 in a week?

Women have been leaving Labour over Gender Self ID. That doesn't mean we've joined the Tories, or will vote Tory - they are the ones that started it.

I don't know how I'll vote when it comes to it but as a woman it won't be Labour while Corby/McDonald in charge.

And There was a poster on here last week talking about picket lines and scabs. It was like something out of the 1980s.

Whatever we need, it isn't all that hateful divisive nastiness. Haven't we learnt anything yet?

Yanbu best of a very bad bunch. It's either that or abstaining and I just can't do that

make

Who do you actually talk to? In real life I mean? Your comments sound vert old fashioned to me snd I am old.

They're not his comments. They're generated by a momentum script!

Women have been leaving Labour over Gender Self ID

I think that's why too. They're claiming it's remainers though.

I class momentum with UKIP.

Barking mad.

Hahahaha @rebeccaslicker has got it spot on on page 2 of this thread, there's very little I can helpfully add to that as that summed up my thoughts entirely!

What bizarre logic?

Is your main rationale for not voting Labour to do with their stance on identity politics?

UpstartCrow the claim about 45,000 extra deaths might have more credibility if even its author showed more confidence; as it is, the crucial bit you missed from that quote is: "The papers’ senior author and a researcher at UCL, Dr Ben Maruthappu, said that while the paper “can’t prove cause and effect” it shows an association"

In fairness I accept that austerity measures may have some effect, but then so might countless other factors, most of which tend to be ignored by those who'd rather seize an isolated statistic in order to scream "Tory murderers!!!"

We've also been through this before - the author of the report doesn't seem to be 100% neutral, given that he has set up private care facilities. Will try and find a link.

ceracare.co.uk/about-cera

I may be being very unfair to him and a better informed poster may have something to say to prove me totally wrong. But it does seem odd to me to try and show a cause and effect for austerity whilst also setting up a system that makes money from social care!

I think Momentum and UKIP are as dreadful as each other.

Puzzledandpissedoff
No one is screaming or being hysterical. Try to discuss this without using hyperbole.

''statistics reveal 2,380 people died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared able to work''.
www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures

make must be a bot surely? Noone in real life could be that willfully obtuse.

YANBU It's the only option I'm afraid.......

You cannot have people with the intellect of Corbyn, Abbott and Mcdonnell running the country.

Don't worry though, it's not going to happen.

No one is screaming or being hysterical. Try to discuss this without using hyperbole

In this I was referring, not to posters on MN, but some of the screamers and spitters at assorted "anti austerity rallies", "save our NHS" stunts and more ... but yes, it was probably my fault for not making this clear

To the person who said the Tories weren't in government in the 90s I think you need to look up John Major. Labour wasn't in until 97, the Tories were in from 79 to 97!

I’ll be voting for catgirl or possibly spoiling my ballot with a massive Venus symbol.

make must be a bot surely? Noone in real life could be that willfully obtuse

I believe so, yes; certainly the ceaseless soundbites in lieu of anything more meaningful would suggest it

It's the reason I absolutely never engage ...

Of course there's always a possibility that you won't have a Tory candidate in 2022. Unlikely but possible.

Or they might be someone you could never bring yourself to vote for in a million years. My Tory candidate is shit hot on local issues but is, quite frankly, so abhorrent that I couldn't vote for him and level that with my conscience

Its hard but we have to get the deficit down so we can start reducing the debt and the Tories are the only party doing that.

Momentum just dont seem to care if they bankrupt the country and Corbyn will not have to deal with the consequences as he is one of the wealthy elite. We need to save our children's future from the communist Venezuelan state the republican cult of Corbyn wants to inflict on us.

I may be being very unfair to him and a better informed poster may have something to say to prove me totally wrong. But it does seem odd to me to try and show a cause and effect for austerity whilst also setting up a system that makes money from social care!

Cough - ad hominem - cough.

Maybe when you see people dying, you want to do something about it?