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To not ask if DSD can go to the party.

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Placeboooooooo · 27/01/2018 18:01

DSD (7) comes to us every weekend and 75% of school holidays.

This weekend DD (4) has a school friend’s party. I mentioned this to OH 2 weeks ago, anyway he’s asked me tonight if I can ask if DSD can go.

I feel a bit cheeky really. I’ve had to ask before, some people are okay about it and other people have just flatly said no, which I understand completely.

OH has some sheep as a hobby and tomorrow he was going to get them and in and worm them which is a job I’ve managed to do with DD many times and DSD would probably love helping as she’s very enthusiastic about most things but he’s saying he can’t manage and that if DSD can’t go then myself and DD can’t go either.

I feel it’s a bit shit of him really, DSD doesnt have to miss out on her friends parties etc and I’m not saying that she should but then neither should DD.

He’s been out working all day today and only got in about half an hour ago. Surely tomorrow would be nice for himself and DSD to have some one on one time together.

AIBU?

OP posts:
HouseworkIsASin10 · 29/01/2018 11:28

This is such a sad situation all round.

If your OH won't seek help or be willing to change then you have no alternative but to remove your DD from the situation.

She would be my priority. I'd never let her live under threat from an older sibling. She must be confused & scared.

Cheby · 29/01/2018 11:55

Your poor DD. Aside from what happens in the long term, I’d be taking her out after school, I’d be buying her stuff and making a massive fuss over her, and I’d make sure DSD knew all about it. Not to be spiteful, but hammer home the point that the attention goes to the person who has been wronged, and the wrongdoer gets nothing. A bit like when toddlers hit/nite and you ignore the biter and give lots of cuddles and attention to the child who has been bitten.
It should also reinforce the point that yes DD absolutely does get to do stuff without DSD sometimes, and the more DSD behaves awfully about it the less she will get as she is being punished.

MadMags · 29/01/2018 11:58

Op, I have to ask; has he given any indication whatsoever that he cares about his dd being hurt, scared, humiliated, and had her property destroyed???

What has he said about all of this?!

Lizzie48 · 29/01/2018 12:17

I feel for both girls, but your OH needs to step up for your DD. Your DSD sounds very much like my DD1, with the lashing out, with the difference that DD1 lashes out at me too.

But I underestimated the effect it was all happening on DD2 (5). DD1 has hurt her, not quite so badly as what your DSD did to your DD, but over an extended period of time. Then one evening DD1 pushed her hard and she fell against the wall bruising herself. DD2 said to me, 'I don't want to live with her anymore. I want to go back to my foster carers.' (They were both in foster care until they turned 1.)

This was heartbreaking. I knew she didn't really want to lose us, but she was very upset about what DD1 was doing. And they're full birth siblings, we adopted them so they could be together. So we have to persevere and it is getting better. But she is waiting for therapy to deal with her Attachment Disorder.

What you're describing sounds like a very angry child, who really needs help. But it isn't up to you to be involved in that. Your responsibility is to your own DD, who will be more affected than she appears and your dad needs to shape up quickly.

SkyIsTooHigh · 29/01/2018 12:23

I also think you're overthinking the party bag tantrum. 5 is still really little - it was a Learning OpportunityGrin and I would hope that someone had had the conversation with her beforehand about why she shouldn't expect one. At that age we had a deal where party bag receiver shares one item from their bag with their sibling, just to spread the love a little!

MadMags · 29/01/2018 12:26

OP has repeatedly said she mentioned the party bag as a small incident that embarrassed her. Other posters are going on about it, not her!

GreenTulips · 29/01/2018 12:36

also think you're overthinking the party bag tantrum

This just shows the pattern rather tab a new change in behavior

GreenTulips · 29/01/2018 12:40

He struggles with his reading and I think he’s embarrassed to read them a story in case they notice that he finds it difficult.

Then you work round it and have gim tell stories or listen to audio books

Look at oxford owl or whispersync on Amazon - there's ways and means

Blondeshavemorefun · 29/01/2018 13:23

JUst read update - your poor dd being slapped and processions damaged

Dsd has got some serious issues and these need to be dealt with ideally as 3 of you / dad you mum

Wallywobbles · 29/01/2018 13:25

I live 50/50 with my DSC and have 2DDs all roughly the same age from 9-13. I do discipline my DSC but I don't do punishments I leave that to their Dad. Fortunately he is way stricter than I am and very present.

I agree with you that this is 100% a parenting issue, and it needs to be dealt with 100% now, and the 2 parents need to stop dicking about because DSD is going to end up in a whole shit load of trouble hormones or otherwise. And the hormone shit at 7 is nothing compared to the one that comes later. My DDs both started getting BO at 7 - but periods only started at 12 or so.

But good almighty I'd go fucking wild if this happened either way DD to DSC, or DSC to DD. I think it sounds like you are doing a great job and you were right to say this is completely unfuckingacceptable.

When anyone crosses the line in our home I do not go in for gentle parenting. I point out in black and white (as you did) how its made everyone feel, and go through the consequences of their actions, as far into the future as necessary. Maybe DSD is too young to see all the consequences in your case but I'd be pointing some of them out. Especially the trust ones.

I would expect some serious remorse even at 7.

And the reading thing is bollocks. The 4 year old wont care and the 7 year old can do the reading when she's there. Thereby getting to feel important.

FrancisCrawford · 29/01/2018 13:43

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WhooooAmI24601 · 29/01/2018 14:16

OP have you or your H told DSD's Mum what's actually going on in detail so that she sees the full picture (I've RTFT but can't see if it's happened).

If you and your H do begin to make a go of things, is there room for you and DSD's Mum to have more contact in terms of resolving her behaviour (though I fully understand that you might not want to go down that route)?

DS1 goes to his Dad's house fairly regularly and (touching wood as I type this) so far there have been few issues with DS1 and his Dad's other DC but I think my first port of call if it happened would be to get all parents (including step parents) together to try and make sure everyone's singing the same song. Unless your H can make some changes allowing you to present a united front I can't see a way your DSD's behaviour will improve. Flowers to you and DD.

SparklyMagpie · 29/01/2018 14:34

I think the majority of us would wish you hadn't posted either Ellisandra

OP I hope you and DD are alright, you've tried your best with DSD but it also takes her father too!

I cannot get over what that child had done to your DD and I'm also wondering what your DH's reactions to the slapping and breaking the locket were.

Take care of yourself and your little girl OP, for me, I wouldn't be able to continue with this

Placeboooooooo · 29/01/2018 14:58

He just looked shocked when he saw what DSD had done. He said ‘has she done that?’

Whether he told her off after we’d left remains to be seen but he was certainly stunned. He didn’t jump to his own defence when I told him what I thought either. He said he was sorry that DSD has reacted the way she did and would make sure that DD got an apology off her next week.
Which is fine, but the root cause of this problem with the aggressiveness and violence needs to be sorted.

Apparently DSD has been having aggressive outbursts at school too. She was like it as a toddler, I remember picking her up from her aunties once, I was invited in for a cuppa while DSD played with her cousin. The next thing we knew DSD had scratched her cousin across the face before we could even get there to break things up. His is one incident that stings to mind and was before DD was born. She has periods where she’s calm and wouldn’t hurt a fly and then her anger flares up again. I don’t think that the ciolence is exclusively aimed towards DD.

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magoria · 29/01/2018 15:29

Her parents need to get her some help to deal with whatever is causing her aggression and they need to step up as parents.

If they don't DSD is going to end up being one of the children not invited to parties by her peers and will lose friends.

Without them you could try all you like and nothing will change.

At the end of the day you need to protect DD and if her dad will not step up I don't see that you have any choice but to stay away from him to keep her safe.

Wallywobbles · 29/01/2018 15:48

The problem with you going away when she is there is it may well be seen by DSD as her winning again. She chased away the object(s) of her jealousy.

Hissy · 29/01/2018 16:09

Do you get on with DSD mum? If so, I think it would be a very good idea for you and OH to go and meet with her to discuss how you all 3 can help DSD get over this phase of aggression, and agree on what tactics you can all try as a parenting team to get her to stop this. It's kind of now or never really if it's not sorted out now, just imagine what it'll be like in a few years when she gets to secondary school....

No blame, no pointing of fingers, but trying to work out what to do next to stop this behaviour, all ideas valid, but a way forward needs to be agreed by all so that DSD learns quickly that she is not to use force or violence to get what she wants. perhaps you can each offer the others support if DSD kicks off? call for someone to help you or hear you out? Tantrums are often overwhelming and it takes time to learn to stay calm and manage them.

LexieLulu · 29/01/2018 16:30

I've missed, how old is DSD? She sounds like a horror!

This must be so stressful for all of you

youwouldthink · 29/01/2018 17:09

I really think its time your DH steps up to the plate here. As things stand its your poor DD who is displaced from her home, her room and her things.
Your DH needs to put a plan into action and stick to it. If not your DSD will be over as usual and delighted to have her father and bedroom all to herself.
If he doesn't deal with this now can you imagine the teenage years??
I think you are taking the right decision OP in making sure they are not alone together for the moment

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 30/01/2018 17:52

She sounds like a scared little girl to me. You need to stick up for DD of course but 7 is so very little too. I’d start by asking her to explain what’s she done then you talk about how it hurt DD. Don’t make DSD the enemy.

FrancisCrawford · 30/01/2018 18:01

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ChaosNeverRains · 30/01/2018 18:32

You know, if this was the father posting that his DD1 (OP’s DSD) had these anger management issues and was being violent towards his dd2 (OP’s dd) and had other severe anger and violent outbursts as well as other behavioural problems he would get nothing but support on here and would be told that something needed to give and that potentially he and the child’s mother needed to seek professional help for their DD.

In fact if the OP was the DD’s biological mother and was posting the same she too would be told that. But because this is a stepmother things are different? Why is that?

If the OP’s dd was being treated in the same way by a classmate the advice would be to speak to the school about how they could protect her dd. Being a stepmother makes no difference in this case. The child spends weekends in the OP’s house. The OP’s dd is her sister, and it is no more acceptable for a child to slap her sister and destroy her possessions than it would be for her to slap her half sister or even if it was a classmate or friend.

OP, it seems very clear that You have done everything in your power for this child to be included in your household and to be a sister to your DD. It also seems clear though that the child has some very significant behavioural problems which need addressing, and which the parents seriously need to look at. And tbh while I think that there is absolutely some room for criticism of your DH, I also wonder whether he is possibly in denial because he knows there are issues but addressing them potentially means professionals being involved and “labels” being applied in terms of a potential diagnosis.

Behaving in the way she does is not normal at seven. But it doesn’t sound as if this is a sad scared little girl, it sounds like a child with some issues which aren’t being addressed.

Many years ago I had a friend whose child exhibited some very serious behaviours. He was violent, he was rigid in his thinking, he had other obsessions but obviously I’m not comparing him to the OP’s DSD. What I would say though is that he was excluded from school on numerous occasions, and when friend came to talk to me I advised her to get some professional help for him because his behaviour wasn’t “normal” either. And her response was “but I don’t want him to be labelled.” To which I replied “but he’s already been labelled. He’s been labelled as violent, as troublesome, as difficult, if you seek some professional advice for him he may still be labelled, but it will be a label which means his difficulties will be recognised and he can be helped to deal with them. The alternative is that in ten years time this won’t be his classmates he’s beating up, it will be his partner.”

She went to the GP and two years on he was diagnosed on the autistic spectrum.

It’s entirely possible that DSD has some issues which mean that she will need a “label” in order to help her to deal with those issues, because to not deal with them is going to be far worse for her in the long run.

Is it possible to have that conversation with your DH along those lines OP?

And FWIW, I don’t think you have done anything wrong. And neither do I think that it’s wrong to tell a child how their behaviour makes you feel, even if you’re not their biological parent.

ChaosNeverRains · 30/01/2018 18:35

And even if the OP has left, the conversations still need to be had.

Because if OP doesn’t feel that she can go back the dad will have access with both children and the DSD and DD will still need to co-exist, except it will be without the OP’s input.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 30/01/2018 19:09

Even if this were at school 7 remains very young. Even at home, the girls share a dad. It would be very wrong to scapegoat a 7 year old.

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