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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

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PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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AcrossthePond55 · 30/01/2018 23:38

Thanks, cozie. We're pretty happy we got out when we did. We may not be making huge dividends, but at least we're assured that we'll continue to receive the same percentage of interest. It's scary out there!

DH and I went and saw The Post today. Wow! It really brought back some memories of the publishing of the Pentagon Papers. I think the importance of the Papers sometimes gets a bit lost in the shit show that was Watergate.

And for those of you who do see it, watch carefully near the end when Kay Graham descends some outside steps. If you look carefully you'll see an extra who is dressed to look a great deal like a young Hillary Rodham (as was). Made me smile.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 23:39

I feel like there have been notable stories about all these things even just in the past week, let alone the last year:

Ari Berman
@AriBerman
How democracy dies:

Undermining domestic institutions

Obstructing independent investigations

Attacking free press

Political system owned by 1%

Rigging Census

Voter suppression

Gerrymandering

Election hacking

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 00:13

I judge it to be too late for that, Perking.

lionheart · 31/01/2018 00:20

'Note: This piece was originally a list of Trump’s anti-woman actions in his first 100 days as President. But his misogyny and harmful agenda doesn’t stop at day 100, so we have made this piece an ongoing list.'

medium.com/@NARAL/trumps-anti-woman-first-100-days-b4ef5a3123ad

TheClaws · 31/01/2018 00:33

“Illegal aliens” = less than human. Rep. Paul Gosar = contemptible.

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Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
10:33 AM - 30 Jan 2018

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 00:39

Kennedy's speech will be updated..........

ohfourfoxache · 31/01/2018 02:38

Anyone else watching this shit? It’s just bloody rhetoric, he’s not actually saying anything.....

TuckFrump · 31/01/2018 02:53

It's horrific isn't it. I don't even know why I'm watching it.

I wish he'd stop clapping into the microphone. And he's sniffing again!

I've not watched one before. Is it usual for everyone to clap every other sentence? It's nausiating.

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 02:59

It's a 'victory lap'. For that, I guess it's usual.

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 03:06

Addison Mitchell has a face that looks as if he's sucking lemons while listening.

ohfourfoxache · 31/01/2018 03:12

I think it’s the fucking smugness that gets me.

He looks every bit the Cheshire Cat

ohfourfoxache · 31/01/2018 03:15

Oh fuck Sad

He’s just taken the whole world back a decade Sad

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 03:17

At least he didn't say 'Tippy-Top'.

ohfourfoxache · 31/01/2018 03:24

True Cozie - small blessings

Is it normal for families of victims etc to be, erm, showcased like this? It seems a bit exploitative tbh

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 03:28

Good tactics though.

TuckFrump · 31/01/2018 03:30

People on Twitter think he's trying to make sure he has the longest SOTU speech Hmm What a fool.

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 03:32

He's worried. They all nearly choked when he said 25 trillion. (For infrastructure.)

ohfourfoxache · 31/01/2018 03:33

I’m genuinely not a violent person.

But I’m beginning to understand how assassinations happen.

cozietoesie · 31/01/2018 03:41

He's brought along too many, I think. It's become too obvious.

OuaisMaisBon · 31/01/2018 04:30

So, I gather “young” Joe Kennedy's speech was appreciated. This is what Dan Rather has to say about #45’s SOTUS:

“I debated whether to post about the State of the Union because I think that for all the time and attention it receives nothing really changed. I wonder what the ratings will end up being. Do the President's supporters care what he says in a forum such as this? Does the majority of the country who disapprove of the President want to spend an evening hearing him lecture to them?
But I figured if I took the time to watch, I might as well say something. Because I think the most memorable thing about the speech is that it will probably soon be forgotten.
This was an informercial for Donald Trump and his Republican Party. For make no mistake, there is no distance between the GOP and the Party of Trump. He owns it, and the members of Congress know it. Almost to a man (and they mostly are men), they pay fealty to their leader.
As a newsman, I found no real news except tough talk on immigration (no surprise) and increased sabre rattling with North Korea (disquieting, but no surprise). So much of what ails us, as a people, as a nation, as a world went unsaid. And also left unsaid was the shadow that looms over all that has transpired in the last year and a half - the specter of Russia and now a criminal investigation.
Presidents uplift. This one does not. Presidents speak to our common ideals. This one does not. Presidents seek to expand their base. This one does not.
On style points, I thought it was well delivered, as far as that goes. Some analysts with amnesia may say that the President was presidential. But the storm clouds still gather, an itchy Twitter finger awaits, and the State of the Union is far from united.”

AcrossthePond55 · 31/01/2018 04:43

I didn't watch it. I just couldn't bear to hear Trumpleforeskin conduct a self-congratulatory circle jerk for the GOP with him in the middle. watching MSNBC and it sounds like I didn't miss anything, wouldn't have learnt anything new or surprising about Scrotus, and probably would have had an apoplexy.

I did watch Sen Kennedy's rebuttal and thought it was really good. Not so much a 'rebuttal' as it was a 'Hey America, remember who we really are. Remember that we aren't out of the game yet'. And the beautiful words that reminded me so much of his grandfather: "Politicians are judged by the promises they make. But we will be judged by the promises we keep". It's a reminder that 'We The People', must continue the fight against those who would subvert our democracy, to keep those promises.

Resist, Register, Vote, BE HEARD!!

OuaisMaisBon · 31/01/2018 05:23

Elizabeth Warren
‏Verified account @elizabethforma
1h1 hour ago

I went to the #SOTU. I wanted it burned into my eyes. If there’s ever a moment when I’m too tired to keep fighting, I just have to close my eyes & see @realDonaldTrump , @mike_pence & @pryan applauding themselves for punching working families in the gut, & I'm back in this fight.

OuaisMaisBon · 31/01/2018 05:25

Michael Skolnik
‏Verified account @MichaelSkolnik
2h2 hours ago

Las Vegas Shooter:
Not an immigrant
Sandy Hook Shooter:
Not an immigrant.
Charleston Church Shooter:
Not an immigrant.
Aurora Movie Theater Shooter:
Not an immigrant.
Texas Church Shooter:
Not an immigrant
Columbine Shooters:
Not immigrants.

#SOTU