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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

986 replies

PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 15:46

Manu Raju
‏*@mkraju*
Grassley and Graham release unclassified letter of their criminal referral suggesting Christopher Steele lied to investigators about his media contacts. FBI signed off on it after Nunes memo was declassified. www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-02%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral).pdf

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 15:49

Pema Levy‏Verified account
@pemalevy
Scooplet: A Republican justice on the PA Supreme Court did not disclose a $25,000 donation from one of the Republican lawmakers involved in the state's blockbuster gerrymandering case. She ruled for the lawmaker in that case.

Republicans Fighting to Protect Gerrymandering in Pennsylvania Have an Ethics Problem

It could complicate their conflict-of-interest challenge.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/republicans-fighting-to-protect-gerrymandering-in-pennsylvania-have-an-ethics-problem/

Gumpendorf · 05/02/2018 17:32

Thanks Pain. The Grassley and Graham memo is so extensively redacted that it does seem to add much to their previously published covering memo. Anyone see anything new?

Is it unusual to have so many ' Top Secret' documents reclassified and put into the public domain?

OuaisMaisBon · 05/02/2018 17:32

Tenuous link to this thread, but I like the premise, for Natsku Grin

Jake Davis‏ @DoubleJake

#LauriLove - Lauri's father says that the UK has been handling justice a lot longer than the USA and that we're considerably better at it

Gumpendorf · 05/02/2018 17:48

Our Hackable Political Future. Frightening implications for democracy

nyti.ms/2FJls5M

lionheart · 05/02/2018 18:05

So pleased Natsku. Smile

lionheart · 05/02/2018 18:12

Oh.

Carter Page says Nunes memo vindicates him and that defamation legal battle 'just beginning'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/carter-page-nunes-memo-trump-campaign-russia-links-defamation-legal-fbi-justice-department-a8195811.html

lionheart · 05/02/2018 18:22

Wow. Trump might actually bring unity where once there was discord.

They can’t stand each other, but a founding member of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young says a shared, intense dislike for President Trump could ultimately get the estranged band back together.

'“They’re all mad at me. But they all dislike Donald Trump very much, the same way I do,” David Crosby tells Billboard magazine of his former bandmates in an interview published Monday.'

thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/372339-david-crosby-shared-dislike-for-trump-could-reunite-crosby

lionheart · 05/02/2018 18:45

Good.

'Legal experts saw the GOP appeal to the Supreme Court as a long shot.'

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/supreme-court-pennsylvania-gerrymandering_us_5a74bf28e4b06ee97af274d4

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 19:23

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
Russia deploys nuclear missile system permanently in Kaliningrad, putting much of NATO and the EU within range

amp.ft.com/content/ef93af1e-0a8d-11e8-8eb7-42f857ea9f09?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6&__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 19:28

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The New York Times notified the Justice Department on Monday that it’s asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents related to the wiretapping of Carter Page.

“Trump lowered the shield of secrecy... after finding that the public interest... outweighed any need to protect the information. Because Mr Trump did so, the Times argues, there is no longer a justification ‘for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld.’”

t.co/Kxn0IOfIfQ?amp=1

lionheart · 05/02/2018 19:29

Hell.

Still, the US Commander in Chief should not give any cause for concern:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 19:30

NBC News
@NBCNews
UPDATE: Dow falls more than 500 points

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 19:32

Trump accuser running for Ohio state legislature

www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/05/rachel-crooks-trump-accuser-ohio-legislature-389960?__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 19:54

Alexandra Bell
@atomicbell
In the coming weeks, some people will try to make the case that the 2018 NPR is just a continuation of policy. Don't buy it. It's actually the nuclear priesthood striking back.

The Obama Administration was committed to maintaining a safe, secure, and effective nuclear arsenal. At the same time, his Admin relentlessly pursued agreements and endeavors to create conditions that would enable nuclear reductions.
Leaders in the Obama Admin were keenly aware that in the world beset by threats from terrorists, nuclear weapons were becoming less of an asset and more of a liability.
The Trump NPR ignores this reality and treats nonpro, arms control & efforts to combat nuclear terrorism as an afterthought to its main emphasis: a return to "great power" competition with new nukes.
The nuclear priesthood failed twice in their mission to get new nukes during the GWB Admin. They didn't have a prayer in the Obama Admin following the 2010 NPR's clear mandate of no new warheads, capabilities or missions.
Noticing President Trump's penchant for "more, bigger, stronger" & his obsessive need to differentiate himself from his predecessor, the nuclear priesthood found a new acolyte.
They will downplay the troubling aspects of the 2018 NPR, but there should be no doubt that it was their intention to have the Trump plan increase the role and the size of the US nuclear arsenal.
With their guidance, no doubt, the Trump NPR completely ignores the fact that the US has a legal commitment as a party to the NPT to pursue good faith negotiations on effective measures relating to nuclear disarmament.
Couple that with President Trump's patronizing reference to magic being the key to nuclear disarmament in the SOTU & you see that Trump's nuclear policy is America first & global efforts to reduce nuclear threats second.
The nuclear priesthood will want Congress to focus on continuity w/previous NPRs. Members should instead keep the focus on what's different in this NPR & why ~4,000 nukes & the world's greatest conventional military is not enough to keep America safe.

Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
IMPORTANT thread by an nuclear arms expert on the Trump administration Nuclear Posture Review and the “nuclear priesthood.”

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Who are the “nuclear priesthood”? People in power who contemplate and plan nuclear Armageddon.

2/2

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www.nytimes.com/1997/12/14/weekinreview/the-world-nuclear-priesthood-gets-a-new-credo.html

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
Replying to @leahmcelrath
It should be noted that Henry Kissinger, a founding member of the nuclear priesthood, is advising the Trump admin and describes a preemptive strike on North Korea as "tempting" and "rational"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5344473/amp/Kissinger-Nuclear-strike-North-Korea-tempting.html

Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
They publicly say it’s “to counter” Russian military, but what’s the end result?

Both US and Russian militaries with larger nuclear arsenals.

The New York Times
@nytimes
The Pentagon envisions bringing nuclear weapons back in play to counter a push by Russia to modernize its forces

t.co/c5qhuTlymY?amp=1

Leah McElrath
Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
Putin deploys nuclear-capable missile system with infrastructure for permanent stationing in Kaliningrad

This brings potentially “much of the EU and NATO” within range of Russian nuclear weapons.

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cozietoesie · 05/02/2018 19:58

Actually, it's over 700 points down.

Saffronwblue · 05/02/2018 20:06

Great news Natsku. Thrilled for you and your family.

cozietoesie · 05/02/2018 20:09

Over 1,000 down.

You all may be interested in this CNN Money piece.

Market mayhem

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 20:13

Bragging about not bragging is a talent

Jim Acosta
@Acosta
Trump at speech in Ohio: "I'm non-braggadocious."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 20:17

He’s saying all kinds of crap but!

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Fox, CNN and MSNBC all pull out of Trump's speech to cover plunging Dow

thebewilderness · 05/02/2018 20:18

Just a little correction dontchaknow.

cozietoesie · 05/02/2018 20:19

It's recovered.

There's been what looks like some serious trading to recover it. Maybe even humans!

Gumpendorf · 05/02/2018 20:28

The Dow is a useful distraction from Trump's next step into dictatorship in Ohio.

twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/960605091509260288

Translation:

Trump is attempting to desensitize the American public to the word “treason.”

Treason is the only crime specifically delineated within the Constitution for a reason: the severity of it and the danger it represents to the republic.

twitter.com/ddale8/status/96060400121255526
Trump says Democrats are "treasonous" for not applauding him at the State of the Union. "Can we call that treason? Why not."

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