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The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger

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PerkingFaintly · 26/01/2018 12:14

Apparently this has already happened, back in July 2017. Shock

But the orange one try again...

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html

Coverage by Maddow: twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 15:34

Across, Pain, thank you for the explanation and links. My headache just got worse, I'll have another go at trying to understand it tomorrow!

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 15:37

If your BP will take it, I think you should watch the SOU address, Across. AND what follows.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 15:46

That's my fear too across

This covers it well:

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/29/is-trump-a-greater-threat-than-nixon-heres-the-big-danger-ahead/?utm_term=.b99a655ea205

And this details the playbook they're using now:

crooked.com/article/republicans-trump-russia-mueller/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 15:48

This gets at an important way that the current moment is different from Watergate — a difference that may point to the possibility of a more alarming endgame. The Nunes memo shows there is a massive propaganda apparatus out there — one that reaches deep into the right-wing media and into the Congress that has been pushing the alt-narrative and would back up Trump if he does take drastic steps — that didn’t really exist in Nixon’s time.

“You certainly had very influential columnists who were diehard Nixon men,” Weiner told me. “But you did not have a Devin Nunes. You did not have a Sean Hannity. And you did not have an alternate universe of conspiracy theories, in which the FBI was painted as the equivalent of the Weather Underground.” Weiner added that we are seeing an “extraordinary echo chamber of dark matter that has gripped part of Washington and part of America.”

OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 15:57

This is seriously scary - the stuff of recurring nightmares. I am going to find some sand to bury my head in.

Natsku, I hope all goes well with your baby's birth, SOON, and that your brother hangs on in there and is not sent to the US.

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 15:58

Remind me. Didn't Nixon refer to Watergate during his relevant SOU address? I seem to recall words to the effect that 'One year of Watergate is enough............'

lionheart · 30/01/2018 16:10

Sally. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 16:11

I don’t think he called it watergate Wink

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 16:11
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OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 16:21

Did anyone on the thread see and share this? If so, my apologies for the repetition.

The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger
lionheart · 30/01/2018 16:27

That's great Ouais.

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 16:27

I don't think it's been shared before, Ouais. Smile

cozietoesie · 30/01/2018 16:28

And Good for Jim.

OuaisMaisBon · 30/01/2018 16:29

Yep, I want Jim to be my friend!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 16:29

I’ve not seen it before, thanks ouais

lion the incompetence is breathtaking

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 16:56

Anyone see any parallels?

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
Extremely serious allegation to make in Commons. Davies is not only accusing senior civil servants of lying, but of mounting some kind of back-door coup.

These people will slash and burn literally anything to avoid owning up to magnitude of their folly and its disastrous results

The one in which Trump orders his staff to fire Mueller, and they give him the finger
Natsku · 30/01/2018 17:02

Cheers Ouais

AcrossthePond55 · 30/01/2018 17:10

Sounds like Mr Davies is thinking about taking the Nunes route. Next he'll be waving 'a secret memo' in the House of Commons!

It's just awful how politicians in not only the US, but in other countries, are starting to take the 'Monkey see, Monkey do' route when they see what the Scrotus Gang is doing. Whatever happened to taking the high road?

Gumpendorf · 30/01/2018 17:12

That's a great letter Ouais.

Nixon did refer to the 'so called' Watergate affair in his 1974 SOTU and went on to say 'One year of Watergate is enough'.

The resonances with Trump's statements on Russia are interesting. Yes, a very different scandal, but many of the Trumps utterances (is that a word?) are the same.
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/30/nixon-watergate-special-prosecutor-state-of-the-union-1974.cnn

Anniegetyourgun · 30/01/2018 17:16

Utterances is indeed a word, and a very good word to describe the orange creature's burbling.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 17:20

Sorry cozie, I thought he referred to a special prosecutor but he did say watergate. My humblest apologies

PerkingFaintly · 30/01/2018 17:22

Philip Davies! Now why am I not surprised?

He's the one who joined the Women and Equalities Committee in the Commons in order, as far as one can see, to undermine it.

Philip Davies: Tory MP elected to women and equalities committee thinks it should never have been created
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-women-equalities-committee-depressing-thing-happen-recently-should-not-exist-a7474741.html

Also attempted to filibuster the Bill to ratify the Istanbul Convention on preventing domestic violence.

Here are some of the bills Tory MP Philip Davies has filibustered
The MP regularly blocks MPs from debating bills he doesn't like
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

Not at all surprised to see him taking a leaf out of the current Republican book.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 18:33

Cleanse is beer a word you want to hear from elected officials

Fox News
@FoxNews
.@SpeakerRyan calls to 'cleanse' the @FBI, backs surveillance memo release

t.co/Iw8Ex4Sr1u?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/01/2018 18:33

*never

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